If there is no God, creator, or higher being, where did we come from?

Question

Tell me how anything can come from nothing without a higher being. Tell me how this planet suites us perfectly according to the Word of God and yet is considered random. The scientific mind often seems to try and disprove creation as opposed to proving evolution. Please, someone fill in the gap.

Answer 1

Is there really a God? How would you answer?
Far from being a blind faith, Christianity can be logically defended.

by Ken Ham

In our everyday experience, just about everything seems to have a beginning. In fact, the laws of science show that even things which look the same through our lifetime, like the sun and other stars, are running down. The sun is using up its fuel at millions of tonnes each second—since, therefore, it cannot last forever, it had to have a beginning. The same can be shown to be true for the entire universe.

So when Christians claim that the God of the Bible created the entire universe, some will ask what seems a logical question, namely ‘Where did God come from?’

The Bible makes it clear in many places that God is outside of time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end—He is infinite! He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent.1

Is this logical? Can modern science allow for such a notion? And how could you recognize the evidence for an intelligent Creator?
Recognizing intelligence

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Scientists get excited about finding stone tools in a cave because these speak of intelligence—a tool maker. They could not have designed themselves. Neither would anyone believe that the carved Presidents’ heads on Mt Rushmore were the product of millions of years of chance erosion. We can recognize design—the evidence of the outworkings of intelligence—in the man-made objects all around us.

Similarly, in William Paley’s famous argument, a watch implies a watchmaker.2 Today, however, a large proportion of people, including many leading scientists, believe that all plants and animals, including the incredibly complex brains of the people who make watches, motor cars, etc., were not designed by an intelligent God but rather came from an unintelligent evolutionary process. But is this a defensible position?
Design in living things

Molecular biologist Dr Michael Denton, writing as an agnostic, concluded:

‘Alongside the level of ingenuity and complexity exhibited by the molecular machinery of life, even our most advanced [twentieth century technology appears] clumsy … . It would be an illusion to think that what we are aware of at present is any more than a fraction of the full extent of biological design. In practically every field of fundamental biological research ever-increasing levels of design and complexity are being revealed at an ever-accelerating rate.’3

The world-renowned crusader for Darwinism and atheism, Prof. Richard Dawkins, states:

‘We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully “designed” to have come into existence by chance.’4

Thus, even the most ardent atheist concedes that design is all around us. To a Christian, the design we see all around us is totally consistent with the Bible’s explanation that God created all.

However, evolutionists like Dawkins reject the idea of a Designer. He comments (emphasis added):

‘All appearance to the contrary, the only watchmaker in nature is the blind forces of physics, albeit deployed in a very special way. A true watchmaker has foresight: he designs his cogs and springs, and plans their interconnections, with future purpose in his mind’s eye. Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life, has no purpose in mind … . It has no mind … . It does not plan for the future … it is the blind watchmaker.’5

Selection and design

Life is built on information, contained in that molecule of heredity, DNA. Dawkins believes that natural selection6 and mutations (blind, purposeless copying mistakes in this DNA) together provide the mechanism for producing the vast amounts of information responsible for the design in living things.7

Natural selection is a logical process that can be observed. However, selection can only operate on the information already contained in genes—it does not produce new information.8 Actually, this is consistent with the Bible’s account of origins; God created distinct kinds of animals and plants, each to reproduce after its own kind.

One can observe great variation in a kind, and see the results of natural selection. For instance, dingoes, wolves, and coyotes have developed over time as a result of natural selection operating on the information in the genes of the wolf/dog kind.

But no new information was produced—these varieties have resulted from rearrangement, and sorting out, of the information in the original dog kind. One kind has never been observed to change into a totally different kind with new information that previously did not exist!

Without a way to increase information, natural selection will not work as a mechanism for evolution. Evolutionists agree with this, but they believe that mutations somehow provide the new information for natural selection to act upon.
Can mutations produce new information?

Actually, it is now clear that the answer is no! Dr Lee Spetner, a highly qualified scientist who taught information and communication theory at Johns Hopkins University, makes this abundantly clear in his recent book:

‘In this chapter I’ll bring several examples of evolution, [i.e., instances alleged to be examples of evolution] particularly mutations, and show that information is not increased … But in all the reading I’ve done in the life-sciences literature, I’ve never found a mutation that added information.9

‘All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not to increase it.10

‘The NDT [neo-Darwinian theory] is supposed to explain how the information of life has been built up by evolution. The essential biological difference between a human and a bacterium is in the information they contain. All other biological differences follow from that. The human genome has much more information than does the bacterial genome. Information cannot be built up by mutations that lose it. A business can’t make money by losing it a little at a time.’11

Evolutionary scientists have no way around the conclusions that many scientists, including Dr Spetner, have come to. Mutations do not work as a mechanism to fuel the evolutionary process.
More problems!

Scientists have found that within the cell, there are thousands of what can be called ‘biochemical machines.’ All of their parts have to be in place simultaneously or the cell can’t function. Things which were thought to be simple mechanisms, such as being able to sense light and turn it into electrical impulses, are in fact highly complicated.

Since life is built on these ‘machines,’ the idea that natural processes could have made a living system is untenable. Biochemist Dr Michael Behe (see The mousetrap man) uses the term ‘irreducible complexity’ in describing such biochemical ‘machines.’

‘… systems of horrendous, irreducible complexity inhabit the cell. The resulting realization that life was designed by an intelligence is a shock to us in the twentieth century who have gotten used to thinking of life as the result of simple natural laws. But other centuries have had their shocks, and there is no reason to suppose that we should escape them.’12

Richard Dawkins recognizes this problem of needing ‘machinery’ to start with when he states:

‘The theory of the blind watchmaker is extremely powerful given that we are allowed to assume replication and hence cumulative selection. But if replication needs complex machinery, since the only way we know for complex machinery ultimately to come into existence is cumulative selection, we have a problem.’13

A problem indeed! The more we look into the workings of life, the more complicated it gets, and the more we see that life could not arise by itself. Not only is a source of information needed, but the complex ‘machines’ of the chemistry of life need to be in existence right from the start!
A greater problem still!

Some still try to insist that the machinery of the first cell could have arisen by pure chance. For instance, they say, by randomly drawing alphabet letters in sequence from a hat, sometimes you will get a simple word like ‘BAT.’14 So given long time periods, why couldn’t even more complex information arise by chance?

However, what would the word ‘BAT’ mean to a German or Chinese speaker? The point is that an order of letters is meaningless unless there is a language convention and a translation system in place which makes it meaningful!

In a cell, there is such a system (other molecules) that makes the order on the DNA meaningful. DNA without the language/translation system is meaningless, and these systems without the DNA wouldn’t work either.

The other complication is that the translation machinery which reads the order of the ‘letters’ in the DNA is itself specified by the DNA! This is another one of those ‘machines’ that needs to be fully-formed or life won’t work.
Can information arise from non-information?

Dr Werner Gitt, Director and Professor at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology, makes it clear that one of the things we know absolutely for sure from science, is that information cannot arise from disorder by chance. It always takes (greater) information to produce information, and ultimately information is the result of intelligence:

‘A code system is always the result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor) … It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required.15

‘There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.’16

What is the source of the information?

We can therefore deduce that the huge amount of information in living things must originally have come from an intelligence, which had to have been far superior to ours, as scientists are revealing every day. But then, some will say that such a source would have to be caused by something with even greater information/intelligence.

However, if they reason like this, one could ask where this greater information/intelligence came from? And then where did that one come from … one could extrapolate to infinity, for ever, unless …

Unless there was a source of infinite intelligence, beyond our finite understanding. But isn’t this what the Bible indicates when we read, ‘In the beginning God …’? The God of the Bible is an infinite being not bound by limitations of time, space, knowledge, or anything else.

So which is the logically defensible position?—that matter eternally existed (or came into existence by itself for no reason), and then by itself arranged itself into information systems against everything observed in real science? Or that a being with infinite intelligence,17 created information systems for life to exist, agreeing with real science?

The answer seems obvious, so why don’t all intelligent scientists accept this? Michael Behe answers:

‘Many people, including many important and well-respected scientists, just don’t want there to be anything beyond nature. They don’t want a supernatural being to affect nature, no matter how brief or constructive the interaction may have been. In other words … they bring an a priori philosophical commitment to their science that restricts what kinds of explanations they will accept about the physical world. Sometimes this leads to rather odd behavior.’18

The crux of the matter is this: If one accepts there is a God who created us, then that God also owns us. He thus has a right to set the rules by which we must live. In the Bible, He has revealed to us that we are in rebellion against our Creator. Because of this rebellion called sin, our physical bodies are sentenced to death—but we will live on, either with God, or without Him in a place of judgment.

But the good news is that our Creator provided, through the cross of Jesus Christ, a means of deliverance for our sin of rebellion, so that those who come to Him in faith, in repentance for their sin, can receive the forgiveness of a Holy God and spend forever with their Lord.
So who created God?

By definition, an infinite, eternal being has always existed—no one created God. He is the self-existing one—the great ‘I am’ of the Bible.19 He is outside of time—in fact, He created time.

You might say, ‘But that means I have to accept this by faith, as I can’t understand it.’

We read in the book of Hebrews, ‘But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him’ (Hebrews 11:6).

But this is not blind faith, as some think. In fact, the evolutionists who deny God have a blind faith—they have to believe something that is against real science—namely, that information can arise from disorder by chance.

The Christian faith is not a blind faith—it is a logically defensible faith. This is why the Bible makes it clear that anyone who does not believe in God is without excuse:

‘For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse’ (Romans 1:20).

Answer 2

There are many possible answers, none of them being religious, but the religious mind is closed to such possibilities because religious believers suffer from a common mental illness, which makes it nearly impossible to explain alternative possibilities to them.

Apart from the theory of evolution, here are two areas to consider.

First ...

If we assume the universe was created, then it’s reasonable to assume there was a creator. That’s as far as science has progressed today, but just look how far religion has progressed.

Religion states (fact) there was a creator called God, that God still exists, God also created places called Heaven & Hell, God wrote an instruction book called the Bible, God will banish evil people to Hell, God will send good people who follow the Bible to heaven, that people referred to in the Bible (like Jesus) will return to Earth, and a whole raft of other statements of fact. That’s right, religious fact, not assumptions.

Now tell me truthfully, if science doesn’t even know yet whether the universe was created or not, but religious believers state: “not only was the universe created by God, here’s a whole lot more proof and facts to go with it, what do you think?

Either religious believers just have vivid imaginations or suffer from a common mental illness. I think commonsense and logic would suggest that religious believers are mentally handicapped.

Second ...

The following reference material (from Google) requires a very intellectual and philosophical mind to digest and understand, but by all means read and ponder.

Google “Brains in a vat” for the latest reference material.

It basically suggests and refutes that we (you or anyone) are just brains in a vat connected to a super-computer because we are able to ask the question are we just brains in a vat. Unfortunately the theory is flawed because it assumes we are dealing with human brains in a vat, but that may not be the case.

It is possible that everything we think, feel, touch, hear, believe, sense, taste, smell, you name it is in fact virtual, and everything science or religion puts forward is virtual. It is possible that all the troubles in the world are virtual. It is possible that the universe is virtual, and therefore the intelligence in a vat will never know the answers to anything in our world or universe. It is possible that we are some form of intelligence in a vat, and therefore we are virtual and don't exist in the form or manner that we believe we do. It is possible that we may not even be human.

Should the above state (brains in a vat) truly exist then you would be unable to prove to anyone through any medium that you exist.

Answer 3

The planet doesn't suit us perfectly. We evolved from microorganisms and adapted to suit IT. Those micro-organisms developed from random combinations of amino acids, which are nothing more than chains of chemicals that can be found on any rock in the universe. If the planet suits us so well, why are there so many diseases and natural disasters? Inhospitable climates and dangerous animals? The idea that the world is somehow here for our benefit is the ultimate arrogance. It was here before us and will be here when we are gone. Humankind is nothing more than a footnote in the geological life of the planet Earth.

Answer 4

Most scientists really don't care about what the creationists are saying....scientists just go about their business trying to figure out how humans got here. Quite a few scientists are actually theists too, but most probably don't subscribe to a particular religion.

To explain to you how we got from the BB to what exists today...a planet which supports intelligent life would take a few text books worth of information. The main point to think about is that we don't really know what happened before the BB yet, but no credible scientist would say that the BB came out of nothing. But, claiming that since we don't know that a god must have done it is simply appealing to the god of gaps and intellectually a lazy approach to origins.

Answer 5

You have problems with several different sciences here: Astronomy, chemistry, and biology.

If you really want answers to questions about the Bib Bang, go here:http://angryastronomer.blogspot.com/2006/07/big-bang-common-misconceptions.html

For answers about human development and evolution, go here:
http://talkorigins.org/

The planet "fits us perfectly" because we developed here, not the other way around. Imagine an intelligent puddle of water. It looks around and notices that it is in a hole. It thinks to itslef: "This hole is proof of a god! It is exactly the right shape and size for my body!" Except the opposite is the case. The shape of the puddle is determined by the shape and size of the hole. It is the same with us. We are swell adapted to our environment because we developed here.

The scientific mind is not about "disproving God". It is about explaining the natural world through natural explanations. Just because the explanations conflict with Christian literalist ideas doesn't make them wrong. It just makes the creationists whiney.

Answer 6

Yes, you are so right.

No one can proove or disproove God to someone else, they must choose to believe or not...

You can believe in the facts or not... it is your choice, whatever you find is best.

Here are the facts...

FACT: DNA can not create new information, DNA Can only copy old information, and shuffle information- resulting in the vareity within each species- sometimes it loses information- resulting in birth defects, tumors, and other abnormalities.

the Theory of Evolution states that all creatures came from a common ancestor... they all evolved

Problem: the Fact contradicts the theory, Since DNA cannot create new information, a creature cannot evolve into another, the FACT also says that the parent DNA shuffles and the Offspring inherits it... after some time, diversity comes about, resulting in variety among each species, remaining only within its own species.

FACT: Life cannot form from non-life...

the Theory states, somehow atom by atom, molecule by molecule slowly created DNA and a living cell with the ability to reproduce asexualy, with absolutly no defects.

Problem: This is imposible, and it sounds alot like the spontanious generation theory, of the Midevil Era, " after the rain, frogs form from pudddles"

This theory is absolutly illogical and unscientific.

FACT: Nothing can form from nothing

THeory states that: the universe big banged itself into existance from nothing and created the law of gravity, speed of light, matter, particles, everything by chance...

Problem: How did the atoms form?

Particles in atoms detract from each other like 2 north magnets....

So an Evolutionist is going to tell me that particles from nothing maintained a nucleous without despersing into infinity, And at the same time formed a stable electron orbit traveling at vast speeds that keep the nucleous together... by chance...

And if this miricle did occur, that would only be one atom.

Scientific odds of Evolution Theory senario- less than zero

nearly everything in the universe in composed of countless atoms...

That prety much struck the death blow to the Theory of Evolution, right at its core.

And Evolutionist call me a fool, a brainless ape, for not believing in such illogical unscientific SCIFI?

I aplaud all of you Evolutionist, what great faith... to put all of your faith in a fictional theory...

And for those of you who say there is no God, you are just arguing the truth as you see it vs. the facts as they are...

You have lined up your beliefs against the facts...

The facts point to God... any man with eyes and half a brain can see that.

Well if Evolution is not science fact but science fiction, then how did we get here?

Creationism which leads to a Creator..

Can you accept that?

Many cannot, that is why many would rather believe in anything short of insanity and beyond than in God... sad.

Here are some other holes in the gap of Evolution...

Where is the missing "link"? O yeah, that's right, there has to be millions of missing links in order for Evolution to be fact, too bad they have not found one yet.

"Carbon dating is acurate"... latest testing on a live dog read an age of 4,000 years old.... Hmmm, slight miscalculation... whoops.

FACT: Inteligence and self awareness is not required for Darwinian survival.

I have a pencil, I tell you it created itself naturaly, you laugh in my face.... How much more should you laugh when I tell you that the universe made itself from nothing?

God bless you for seeing the Truth...

"Prophesing to be wise, they became fools"- the Bible

There is a universe of evidence that points to God, not to oddless chance.

God bless you and yours.

A lover of Science, and a Christian

Answer 7

Evolution is a fact, it really happen. Most Americans still don't accept evolution because the boundary of church and state is shrinking. Every religion has a creation story but lack one thing, actual proof. (Believing in something to be true is not the same as the TRUTH) Science is the only one that has proof, it's called Evolution through Natural Selection. Accept it and move on.

Answer 8

Believe it or not, but there are many things outside of the scope of human understanding. Most of the forces and sustance of the universe falls into this category. Humans created the concept of time, but there could easily be other dimensions or states of existance that we simply cannot understand. How do you know that there was "nothing" at some point in what we call existance?

Answer 9

I don't think the important question is where do we come from, but more so, what are we here for?

If we are just meaningless body bags full of bones, then whats the point of trying so hard when really in the end, we would get nowhere.

Kind of a meaningless existence..don't you think?

Answer 10

Try reading Steven Hawkings "A Brief History of Time."

Answer 11

Haha. Just research it. The Internet you are sitting there staring at through the monitor is the biggest black hole of information yet. Just look for it, and you'll find it.

Hell, sometimes when you aren't even looking for it, the information pops up at ya'.