Christians: Lets say a person who becomes a believer killed alot of people before they became one......?

Question

how are the people who were killed ever avenged? cuz God says "vengeance is mine". Since God is completely just how does he pay back the guy who becomes saved? Theres got to be somewhat of a punishment.

Answer 1

Paul is the only concrete Biblical case we can look at. His sin was of course covered by Jesus, but he spent the rest of his life with the guilt for the murders he'd committed. Also it says he was called to suffering (whether or not that was in response to his past or because that was necessary for the sovereign plan of God we can only speculate) the remainder of his life reads like a list of the things you would never want to happen. Shipwreck, starvation, whipping, etc... But in the end the very nature of your question makes me wonder if you understand the work of the cross. There was "somewhat of a punishment" Jesus received the punishment for Paul, and for any other sinner's benefit. The people are avenged, Jesus stepped in and took it upon himself. And lastly let's not forget that there are two courts. Forgiveness in God's court does not remove the punishment they still must remove from man's court which God instituted.

Answer 2

In my own personal belief, there are only 2 unforgivable sins; suicide & blasphemy.
Suicide is considered unforgivable because you are breaking the commandment, "Thou shall not kill." , and the obvious reason that this is "unforgivable" is because the action leaves one dead and therefore unable to ask for forgiveness. Blasphemy is a little more involved, but the basics of it are...


The Bible never speaks of an "unforgivable" sin, exactly. It does speak of sins that will not be forgiven, which may practically equate to the same thing. The passage in its full context is Matthew 12:22-37. The two sins that it says will not be forgiven are "blasphemy of the spirit" and "speaking against the Holy Spirit."

The word we transliterate blasphemy should probably be translated "injurious speech." In legal terms, it would be called slander. The Jews call it "lashon hara," or "evil speaking." In the scripture, particularly in the New Testament, it is almost always used in the sense of slandering God. In this context it means saying that God's word is really from Satan.

(You may quit reading here and have the basic answer. For details on the passage in Matthew, read on using the source link I've included.)


There are no big and little sins in God's eyes. A lie is just as a bad as murder or any other sin. There is a passage in the Bible that also mentions our good deeds and what it says about them is... "A human being's righteousness or good deeds is a filthy rag to God."

Now, I'm sure the things I've mentioned here probably vary by religion. As will the following...
Now, you asked how vengence would be achieved. There are some that believe that in the afterlife there will different, "classes", so to say, of saved sinners...kinda like bluecollar and whitecollar. This means that, for instance, someone was a mass-murder and right before they put the needle in his arm, he feels true and sincere remorse for his sins and he seeks forgivness, he will be a bluecollar as oppossed to someone that has spent their life serving the Lord and making a real contribution to humanity, like Mother Teresa, she'd be a whitecollar. LoL sorry, I know that seems a little "lite", but I'm just trying to make the point(s) as simply as possible. Hope this helps and check things out from all sides and decide on what's the best answer for you.

Answer 3

This is actually a really good question. I don't know how God avenges exactly. I don't know how He avenges all the sins I've commited. Some seem to reap fitting consequences, but others don't. I often wonder if some "bad" events in my life, that seem undeserved are vengence for sins I've yet to commit. Time is not the same to God as it is to us. Nevertheless, the hypothetical situation of a killer that leads a life that is otherwise sucessful in worldly terms, where is the perfect justice if he becomes saved? Not so sure. Perhaps we may never know. Perhaps we're not able to accept the answer.

Answer 4

Your answer is in your question. God said, (according to you), "Vengeance is mine". If that is true, and I've heard it relatively the same way, just a little bit different vocabulary, then why does He have to tell you what His vengeance is? Seems like there's an Old Testament prophet who's name momentarily escapes me but who's name is the name of the book in the Bible, who kept preaching that God was going to "seek His vengeance" upon a certain people, and He never did. And the poor old prophet got himself all worked up into a tizzy, and still nothing happened to the people the prophet thought ought to be punished by God. Ahh, and my memory and a bit of "research" into my Bible suggests that the prophets name was Jeremiah, as is name of the Old Testament book. And finally, "all hell broke loose" all over Jerusalem and all her enemies, by You-Know-Who?! It's a great book. You'll love to see how God handles retribution, or vengeance, without consulting you. So, let it alone. God will handle it perfectly, just as he did in Jeremiah's time, and in your time. God Bless you.

Answer 5

Here is what I believe: if a person that has done terrible things (murder, rape, molestation, etc.) in the past is sincere in heart, and asks Jesus to save his soul, He will. He is that forgiving. I think there are a few (probably very few) of these type people that actually have that sincerity and get saved. I think the majority that say they found God are just trying to get off death row or get parolled. Of course, that's me judging, and I shouldn't do that, but that's how I really feel. Only God knows a man's heart.

As far as vengeance, I believe that we all pay for our sins here on Earth. There are no paying of sins in heaven. Here's an example, my grandfather was pretty rough dude in his younger days before I was born. He drank, cheated on his wife (my grandmother) and beat his children, like a said, a rough dude. He got saved, quit drinking and straightened out his life. He ended up being a good father, a devoted husband and did very well for himself financially. But his health ended up being very poor late in his life. For the last 10-15 years, he was very ill. I personally think he was paying for his sins before it was his time to go to heaven, and I think he did too.

I'll say it one last time, we ALL will pay for our sins here before die.

Answer 6

no individual knows for particular if being gay is organic and organic. there is evidence to point that biology could play a aspect, even with the undeniable fact that this is not conclusive. some anybody is extra probably to be alcoholic in accordance to se via biology yet does not mean that individual will be an alcoholic. on your initial question, many human beings will say gay human beings could be Christian, yet this is not how Christians act even as it includes homosexuality (obviously except you're a church chief). They behave as if homosexuality is the most vile way of existence there is. maximum Christians have a good opinion about homosexuality yet do not teach a similar enthusiasm hostile to newborn molestation and homicide. this is unusual to me that a gay individual should be a Christian. i do not realize why human beings favor to hitch something that rejects them through indoctrination.

Answer 7

Remember Moses killed a man, yet Yahweh used him in a mighty way.
Most people do not understand why there is two resurrections.
All accounts will be settle at one or the other of these resurrections.
To find out what the Scriptures say about this visit this web site.

http://www.yahweh.com

Obadhawk

Answer 8

Jesus paid the price for our sins. so before God that is settled. There may of course still be major repercussions in this life- i.e. prison terms ,etc. And obviously if the person became a believer he would have to honestly confess and do whatever possible by way of restitution.

Answer 9

That's a really good question.
But remember that the devil believes in God too..
IT takes someone repenting to God asking for forgiveness and changing his life.
It is not our place to pass eternal judgment on a person.
we can only hold him to earthly laws and earthly punishment. God has the final say and every one will stand in judgment at the foot of his thrown wither their good bad or indifferent.
May GOD have mercy on us all!

Answer 10

If society is right, they will take his life for the lives he has taken. That is God's punishment. He should die and meet Jesus in heaven ASAP. In God's eyes his sins are no more terrible than the one's you and I do. Anyone can be saved. As long as they are breathing they have a chance.