Imperfection cannot come from perfection.
The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot make itself imperfect, so humans(for one example) must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.
Credit to Chad Docterman.
2006-08-19 12:33:26 · 23 answers · asked by googlywotsit 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
So...if God didn't create everything then? That's not what I've read...but then again, it was from a questionable source - the Bible.
2006-08-19 12:56:03 · update #1
Not to defend the concept of God, but I'd challenge you to provide some details about "imperfections".
Isn't "imperfection" and "perfection" subjective judgments: comparisons against a subjective understanding of what constitutes "perfection"?
Could we argue that the atom is "imperfect" because it does not resemble or work the way we would wish? Could it not also be argued that the atom is "perfect" because it works as well as it does?
Trying to prove or disprove the existence of God through subjective (and questionable) reasoning does not seem to be a useful exercise.
Better to challenge beliefs through the internal inconsistencies of those beliefs. for example, a 'loving' God nails his son to a cross to give Himself an excuse to 'forgive' us our sins (in accordance with rules He chose to create) , unless we continue to sin in which case the 'loving' God throws us in Hell.
2006-08-19 12:51:19 · answer #1 · answered by bobkgin 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The fact that something is imperfect is only your opinion. God may not share that opinion. As for humans being imperfect that is by our standards, and not necessairly God's higher standards. There is too much about humans and the rest of the universe we do not understand to even attempt a conclusion of perfect or imperfect.
God certanly has a reason for everything. It is too easy to accept as fact everything we do not understand or do not know how it works as being imperfect.
God created man in his image. We are not clones of God. There is also no theological or scientific proof to back up anything your paragraph credited to Chad Docterman. How does he know something perfect can not create something imperfect? This statement makes no sense.
Logic dictates that if a creator can not create something then it is not perfect. So for a creator to only have the ability to create "perfect beings" makes that creator NOT perfect. A perfect creator would have the ability to create anything he wanted, perfect or not.
Docterman's statement makes the misconception of a belief that since we were created in the image of a perfect creator then we must be perfect. He is basically saying that since humans are not gods then there is no God.
I have no idea who this Docterman person is but sounds to me like a person making up psycobabble to justify his own beliefs he can not justify with facts, proof, logic or commom sense.
2006-08-19 19:56:25 · answer #2 · answered by reallyconfuzzled1 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The only way that a perfect being could create an imperfect universe is by purposely creating a perfectly imperfect universe. If god did this, it is an evil god. No matter how you look at it, the god of the Bible is either evil or nonexistent.
2006-08-19 19:43:17 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
I don't see why a perfect God wouldn't be able to make something flawed.
For example, your avatar is not perfect, but the imperfection makes it more interesting.
It also depends on who is defining perfection. What seems imperfect to a person might actually be perfect from another, more advanced point of view.
I think God has a sense of humor. If you ever saw a picture of me, you would agree. Let's all just laugh along.
2006-08-19 19:44:36 · answer #4 · answered by mollyneville 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Something perfect can create something perfectly imperfect though. Very good question. If you go with the bible though, humans *I think* were created perfect without original sin, and than Adam and Eve betrayed God, so now we are imperfect. We made ourselves imperfect.
2006-08-19 19:41:24 · answer #5 · answered by starry_vamp12 2 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Chad seems to be trying his best to challenge the Shema.
Too bad he fails. The flaw is assuming that our worlds current state is imperfect (i.e. out of God's will). I submit that it is exactly where God wants it.
When Adam and Eve sinned, that which was "perfect" (His creation) was perfectly judged. Had the "perfections" of the world stayed, God's justice would've been imperfect.
It's as if you want one set of perfections, but not all. That's not how Shema works.
2006-08-19 19:51:17 · answer #6 · answered by ? 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
The only reason were imperfect is because God gave us free-will to make our own choices, and to experience life...if he didnt..and he just made us perfect..then we would all be the same..and what would be the point of sending billions of souls to live..if you know that they're all perfect..and will all make the same decisions...and will all end up in the right place. God has no imperfections..He just simply gave us the choice to screw up.
2006-08-19 19:42:31 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
Not even YOUR existence can disprove the perfection of your Creator. And since when can imperfection NOT come from perfection. If one is perfect, they can do anything they want, include create you. God Bless you.
2006-08-19 19:41:16 · answer #8 · answered by ? 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Seems like a gnostic comment.
Without imperfection, there would be no curioisty to explore and find perfection, but only leading us into more possibilities and more imperfections, thus making our perceptions larger.
2006-08-19 19:40:44 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
It is reflective of sin. Man brought his curse upon the world with him.
Consequently, some things you call imperfections actually may have a purpose that you just dont understand.
2006-08-19 19:55:44 · answer #10 · answered by foxray43 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋