Reason, faith and the big kablooey? Does anyone see the error here?

Question

When will well meaning fellow believers stop using the evidence of a begining which scientists labelled the "Big Bang" as a reason for contention. SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED EVIDENCE THAT POINTS TO A BEGINNING!!!! For crying out loud would it help if the scientists labelled it as something more palatable to your taste? Like maybe "In the beginning God!!!" The discovery of this evidence has led many scientists to the Lord. God SPOKE the universe into being...that sounds like a pretty good size BANG to me. Or maybe this one will work for you...In the beginning God quietly and discreetly eeeeaaasssed the world into existance. I don't think so God created this world with such a big bang that the evidence for it still reamains as the uniform background radiation that exists everywhere in the cosmos.
And if I hear one more Christian tell me that faith is something other than the place where the evidence of reason, logic and the Holy Spirit draws me...!!!! God gave me a brain to find Him!!!!

Put as simply as I can, faith is trust. The evidence for God is primarily the "light" that God says is the light which lights everyone who is born of woman. As I have made reasonable responses to that light, God has enlightened me more and the evidence has become so overpowering and all consuming that I have chosen Christ as my Lord. Empirical evidence also points to God. Empirical means that which is obtained through the sensory faculties of the body. One of which is my hearing. The word says faith cometh by hearing the word of God. This is not BLIND FAITH. It is reasonable , logical and honoring God through using my brain for what it was meant for to lead me to Him. So whats the problem here? Christians Stop using esoteric and evasive language to describe to a lost world that which they need to hear and understand and see demonstrated in our lives the love which is beyond our ability but possible through Christ. Get off your lazy butts and make a difference rather than a disonnance.

Answer 1

Hurrah for you. It often seems so hard for people to understand that it all ties together and science does not eliminate God any more than God eliminates science.

Answer 2

Background radiation, dark matter, dark energy, big kablooey. Hard scientific fact. Religion and science shouldn't be at odds with each other. Just because we figured out how God did something doesn't mean it's less of a miracle, or divine. We know that our bodies are formed through instructions in our DNA. Cool, but that doesn't mean we can go out and take the four chemicals in our double hielix and make one for ourselves. We've plotted the periodic table of the elements, but who here can take a little of this, and a little of that and create life? Science has postulated that the universe is made up of something like 4% matter as we know it, 22% dark matter, and 74% dark energy. The latter two have yet to be defined or identified. Who knows, maybe that's where God resides in the universe?

Answer 3

I have never heard any Christian claim that faith doesn't require reason or logic - if that's what you are saying at the end. Biblical faith is based on evidence (Hebrews 11:1). Let me borrow an illustration from Star Trek: Drop a hammer over your shoulder; you haven't seen it fall, but you have every reason to believe that it did. That's Biblical faith.

Atheists and Christians both agree that the universe wasn't always here. Something had to cause this. It isn't logical to assume that the universe created itself; therefore, it must have been created by something outside of it. This is what atheists deny, and the reason for the arguments. They want to believe in the formation of the universe from nothing, and life coming from lifelessness, both of which are unscientific but the foundation of their "religion."


(This really isn't a scientist vs. Christian debate - science agrees with the Christians)

Answer 4

ROY,
I guess all us Christians will get dogmatic from time to time, okay some of us all the freakin' time. If there is something to be guilty of, I am most likely guilty too.

I think as of modern times the Big 'Kablooey', Reason, and Faith, can co-exist without contradiction for the time being, even though I think I've heard yet another theory about multiple Big "Kablooeys.'

I am even one of those going against the traditons of the churches on multiple occasions but also having to do with the Gap Theory, this one having to do with Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.

I would encourage you to continue to use your brain. Nothing that has thought to have been discovered has disproven anything of God's. It is only the faith of the Atheists that claim that it has.

Answer 5

Well done, this is more than a scientific evidence that we can still use our gift of Intelligence to put together what scientist which to tear apart, because there isn't doubt in my mind that there is not better scientist that God HIM-Self.

Answer 6

Good Job Roy.

If you are seeing this clearly on your own you are probably ready for a graduate course in reality and human relations.

I suggest that you get a book called the course in miracles. It somewhat exhaustively explains many of the ideas you are talking about in great detail.

It’s well worth the effort.

Love and blessings

Answer 7

man has created nothing! everything man has discovered God created.

i hear you but, what do you want 'them' to say, God exists and we are liars? these guys have carears in proving man came from monkeys, primodial soup and even aliens seeding planet earth from mars. shishhhh!. lots of money goes into that sort of thing. they will die lieng to keep food on the table.

fight the power.

Answer 8

Great example of "theistic evolution"?

Good one. I wonder how many Christians will be trying to argue with you about that one?

I'll keep checking back for periodic entertainment. :)

Answer 9

I'm with Hosebunny on this one. I've often wondered this, never thought to ask them ;-)

Answer 10

that is why science and bible are different. life is so,so,so,so very confusing