Einstein came up with this logic.?

Question

If stands to reason that in light of the evidence of the universe ageing, there had to be a beginning and grudgingly he also admitted that for there to be a beginning there had to be some sort of thought in initiating it. he refused to accept a relational God, but could not reject the idea of a creative force. What are your thoughts.

http://members.tripod.com/~Emmaus1/Bigbang.html
read it for yourself then, you read a lot of Einstein huh???

Answer 1

I believe I have encountered our relational God, and continue to.

Don Miller is an awesome writer - he once asked why God made this world so beautiful, and the only answer his friend could give him was "To dazzle us." That explains a lot to me. He gave us eyes to see and they work in such amazing ways, and then He gave us beauty to look at.

Answer 2

I have no doubt that there is within the universe an intelligence of sorts, be it God, Allah, Jehovah even Buddah. The point being that many just don't believe that the creative force as you call it is necessarily the vengeful God many believe in. I use the term vengeful because the truth is most religions today preach only separatism, zealotry and hate. Sorry but it is true, they seem more concerned with Doctrine and Dogma then with spiritual enlightenment. I also doubt that the creative force could give two hoots about us lowly creatures given the more than likely chance that there are greater beings than us in the universe. Rational thought can accept a God concept so long as it is understood that a God may not necessarily care. Just a thought to offer.

Answer 3

I don't see how it follows that there had to be any thought in initiating the Universe. A creative force doesn't have to be a conscious force.
However, Einstein was aware that our 'knowledge' can only go as far as our ability to measure, and depends on the device we're measuring with and its relation to what's being measured (relativity). When you get to thinking about something beyond the Universe, you are by definition beyond the measurable. Einstein was wise enough to know that you can't reject the idea of a creative force, but you can't prove it either. It's essentially a matter of personal choice.

Answer 4

My thoughts are similar to those of Stephen Hawking, as follows.

Hawking has done groundbreaking research on black holes and the origins of the universe. He proposes that space and time have no beginning and no end. On Thursday 15 June 2006, Stephen Hawking said that the late Pope John Paul II once told scientists they should not study the beginning of the universe because it was the work of God.

Hawking, who didn't say when the meeting was held, quoted the pope as saying, "It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not enquire into the beginning itself because that was the moment of creation and the work of God." Hawking asked the Pope "Does it require a creator to decree how the universe began or is the initial state of the universe determined by a law of science?"

If the Pope genuinely believed that God created the universe, why was the Pope scared of science investigating the subject and proving that God existed. The truth is more likely that the Pope doesn’t believe in God and doesn’t want science to prove in fact that God doesn't exist.

The universe has been around for billions of years. Many religious people are wakening up to the fact that all religions are just man-made bunkum developed by simplistic human intelligence.

On a universal scale, human intellect does not have the ability to understand much of what is happening, why it happened, and what will happen in the future, so to fill the gaps in their minds they substitute artificial reasoning commonly referred to as religion.

Religion is an escape from the inability to reason intellectually, and because it’s easy to play make believe, further subsets are created like the Bible, Jesus, Adam, Eve etc, in order to justify the mental illusion.

Stephen Hawking suggested that if the universe was created then it is reasonable to assume it had a creator. Since human intellect is unable to determine whether the universe was created, religion takes over and assumes it was and calls the creator God. That’s nothing more than speculative conjecture and more bunkum.

Answer 5

A creative force has to be carefully thought out in this context. The danger is conjuring up some vague generality to tidy up some messy conceptual situation. Intellectual dissonance entices us to look for solutions that fit comfortably within our day to day paradigms. This is probably one of the mental habits that got us in the mythology business in the first place: thunder becomes god's cough, illness god's punishment, death becomes just another stage in our existence, etc.

And now, because we cannot easily grasp what preceded the "Big Bang", we feel a Big Banger might explain it. It may well be we our species will perish before many of these puzzles are solved. But until then we should resist the folly of allowing mystery to become myth.

Answer 6

I don’t think we should put Einstein or anyone else on a pedestal. In the realm of dualistic thinking, he was a genius but he never went beyond dualistic thought. He had a strong ego like the rest of us (just read any of his biographies or the new letters that have been made available). In fact, Einstein was very uncomfortable with quantum theory; quantum theory is the closest we can get in terms of our dualistic thinking and modeling to what those who have a direct experience of reality (enlightenment) realize. Given this (especially his strong discomfort with quantum physics and its implications), I wouldn’t put Einstein on a pedestal of wisdom here. We can know much more about the universe and reality if we dispense with the models of reality and go directly for our own experience of it.

Answer 7

As we know, Einstein was a scientist and a physicist! This is a science based explanation of how the big bang might have happened, or, "Can the second law of thermodynamics be reversed?"

The Last Question is a short story by science fiction author Isaac Asimov. It first appeared in the November 1956 issue of Science Fiction Quarterly and was reprinted in the collections Nine Tomorrows (1959), The Best of Isaac Asimov (1973) and Robot Dreams (1986). It is one of a loosely connected series of stories concerning a fictional computer called Multivac. In conceiving Multivac, Asimov was extrapolating the trend towards centralisation that characterised computation technology planning in the 1950s to an ultimate centrally managed global computer. Asimov considered this story to be the best he wrote, placing it just higher than "The Ugly Little Boy" and "The Bicentennial Man." After seeing a planetarium adaptation, Asimov "privately" concluded that this story was the best science fiction yet written. "The Last Question" ranks with the other stories and "Nightfall" as one of Asimov's best-known and most acclaimed short stories. The story was adapted for the Strasenburgh Planetarium in Rochester, New York in 1969, under the direction of Ian C. McLennan.

(Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.)

This particular story deals with the development of a computer called Multivac and its relationship with humanity through the course of seven historic settings. The first is set in the year 2061. In each of the first six scenes a character presents the computer with a question, namely as to how the threat to worthwhile continued human existence posed by heat death can be averted. As the characters in the story recognize, the question is equivalent to: "Can the second law of thermodynamics be reversed?" In each case the computer finds itself unable to reply due to "insufficient data for a meaningful answer".

In the last scenes, the god-like descendants of humanity watch the universe finally approach the state of heat death and ask the Cosmic AC, Multivac's descendant, the question one last time. Cosmic AC is still unable to answer, but continues to ponder the question; it exists in a hyperspace outside of normal space and time. Eventually the Cosmic AC discovers the answer, but has nobody to report it to; the universe is already dead. It therefore decides to implement the answer and reverse entropy, creating the universe anew; the story ends with AC's pronouncement, "'LET THERE BE LIGHT!' And there was light—"

Answer 8

As we know the univers now...it is expanding after the big bang. What happened to cause the big bang, and what happened before the big bang? Was it just a spark that happens all the time in other universes or was it created by an intelligence other than that which we can understand or comprehend? I'm not sure. I would like to think that there is a universal intelligence that started this. I don't know and I don't know that we will ever know until the end.

Answer 9

I don't think there is anything wrong with believing in a "creative force" - If what we know about our universe is true, then the idea of an extremely more intelligent and less limited being (ie - gravity, atmosphere, etc) is pretty plausible.

I would think that any "higher being" would be too busy to listen to EVERY SINGLE PERSONS EVERY PRAYER.

While something might exist that is, to our definition, omniscient, it probably wouldn't have time to pay attention to EVERY SINGLE PERSONS EVERY PRAYER.

Creative force rules. Omniscient, Omnipresent being - eh... It's a BIT too much for the mind to bend itself around.

Answer 10

Genius

As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene....No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.
Albert Einstein, physicist (1879-1955) (from: [7])