in your opinion, who won the hagler leonard fight. many dissagree on this one..?

Question

leonard outclassed him in my opinion.out boxed him, and dodged blow after blow...

Answer 1

Brent F's posting has broken down the fight perfectly; mistakes made before and during the fight by Hagler and his camp.
Marvin Hagler is my favorite fighter of all time. It still pains me to watch that fight, because as many times as I've tried to convince myself that Hagler was robbed, nope, he was outclassed by a better fighter.
Sugar Ray Leonard was the best fighter of the eighties.

Answer 2

Hagler lost the fight before it started. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to be critical of Hagler. Prefight mistakes that the Hagler camp made were:
1) Agreeing to a 12 round fight instead 15, which was still the stipulated distance for a championship fight at the time. Leonard possibly gets knocked out if it goes 15. ( Leonard was out of gas by round 9)
2) Agreeing to larger gloves instead of 8 ounce which is standard for middleweights.
3) Agreeing to a larger ring.
4) Hagler had a big ego, as most great fighters do. He underestimated Leonard thinking Ray wasn't dangerous after practically a 5 year layoff.
Mistakes made during the fight:
1) Starting the fight in the orthodox stance. Leonard even said that surprised him. Leonard was able to get comfortable and therefore confident.
2) Hagler not cutting off the ring but being satisfied with chasing afer Leonard.
3) Letting Leonard be "the boss" during the fight. Leonard controlled the pace of the fight.
4) Not being aware (or ignoring) of the fact that judges could be swayed by the fact that Leonard was a charismatic and loved fighter. He stole early rounds which was crucial.

I know it sounds like I'm not giving Leonard any credit and even though Hagler was past his prime, as great a fighter as Leonard was, if Hagler was on top of his business Leonard has no chance in that particular fight. That said Leonard won..... Because he was able to sway the perception of the judges.

Answer 3

This iis one of my all time sore spots with the sport. I thought Hagler should have won this decision fairly convincingly. If you will watch a tape of the fight,you will notice that in many rounds,Hagler would virtually control the entire round up until the last 10-15 seconds when Ray would let loose a series of pitty pat flurries that obviously influenced the judges greatly. I respect Sugar Ray,but no way did he inflict the most damage in this fight. Haglers punches were much more effective during the entire fight. Hagler was never close to being hurt,yet he wobbled Ray several times. I have to give credit to Ray,it was a clever strategy to steal the rounds from Hagler with his last second flurries. I have watched the fight many times since and even giving Ray all of the close rounds(in my opinion)I still have him losing the fight by 2 points. I think Hearns was robbed against Ray as well in one of their matchups. Leonard was much like Oscar De La Hoya today,if he could keep the fight close,more often than not he would get the nod from the judges. Not that they arent great fighters,just that I think they definitely got some help from the judges a few times. Hagler was so disgusted that he walked away from the game for good,he even turned down millions for a rematch because he was so dismayed by the decision. I have been a boxing fan for over 30 years(since I was 10)and bad decisions are the one thing that keeps boxing from being a top mainstream sport. I think judges should be sequestered in soundproof booths and their scores should be posted after each round. Implementing those two ideas could put a stop to many bad decisions. Imagine how disheartening it is for a fighter to face grueling months of training in preparation for a fight..only to have the judges give it to his opponent. In my opinion,the Leonard/Hagler decision is one of the worse decisions that has ever occured in a major fight. Of course the Leonard fans will probably disagree,but I think if they look at the fight without bias....they would come to the same conclusion that I have reached. Nice question.

Answer 4

All i would say is i have watched this fight over and over again and that if you were a Hagler fan you would say he should of got it and if you were a sugar ray fan you would of give him the decision, the main factor that really pisses me off about this fight was that two judges had the fight by one round either way which was in my opinion correct but the third judge who i believe was criminal had it to Leonard 118-110 that to me was fraud i don't know what fight he was watching and it still makes me wonder about some of the judges in those days.

Answer 5

Leonard won

Answer 6

first of all, only for the record, it grow to be a chop up decision. no longer a unanimous decision. Leonard gained the instruct, no longer the strive against. constructive, Hagler ignored punches as a results of the undeniable fact that grow to be SRL's protective type- to make you bypass over. And everytime he ignored the target audience gave a collective "WHOA!", hence influencing the judges. Hagler's protective type grow to be to dam/hide up, and he did that effectively adversarial to SRL. Watch Leonard's pitty-pat flurries in sluggish action. In a 5 punch blend he might want to regularly be hitting Hagler's gloves(no collective "WHOA!" because blockading doesn't seem as awesome as making someone bypass over) . inspite of the undeniable fact that the flurries were so speedy that the target audience might want to provide their collective yell, hence influencing the judges. by no skill options that lots of the images did not land and that those that did couldn't destroy a balloon. desire evidence? Hagler had brittle pores and skin. He lumped, swelled and reduce truthfully for the era of his occupation, yet his face grow to be thoroughly unmarked after this bout. A testomony to SRL's powder puff punches and Hagler's means to dam them. and suited me if i'm incorrect, yet did not the punchstat instruct that SRL in uncomplicated words landed like 15 more effective punches than Hags the entire strive against? in the amateurs all one has to do is hit an opponent with the whites of the gloves to score factors. doesn't even remember what area of your opponent you hit. If those are the guidelines then Leonard gained. inspite of the undeniable fact that it is diverse in the experts human beings. You gotta beat the guy in the front of you, no longer see what percentage cases you may slap his hands, gloves and from time to time forehead formerly you scamper away. Hagler did the punching. Hagler did the hurting. i imagine a more effective pertinent question is this: Why did Ray Leonard keep away from Hagler even as Marvin grow to be in his killer best? DEVON- you're proper on the money. Hags grow to be conflict worn and that i imagine the Mugabi strive against grow to be Ray's signal that it grow to be now threat-free to project him. a lot because the James Kinchen strive against grow to be Ray's signal that it grow to be now threat-free to provide Hearns a rematch(8 years AFTER their first strive against). did not opt to face the 1982 Hagler or the 1984 Hearns, did he?

Answer 7

Hagler. Leonard's a bum.

Answer 8

Brent f, you sound that dude named Smitty.