Christians Only Please. I will not to argue the Bible with Athesists or agnostics and if you tell me?

Question

The Bible is false, you will get a thumbs down!
I have 3 questions for you.
Ok now Christians, I need help with this:
1.Babies that are born out of wedlock - whether or not the mother was actaully 'saved' or not or was a 'good actress' or not.. Are these babies of unwed parents allowed in church? I think that they are being exposed to the gospel - my husband thinks that it is exposing and flauting sin.
I need help with this one, and if you give me some scripure or passages to look up that would be awesome.
And 2: Are you SUPPOSED to turn you back on your family and REFUSE to have any thing to do with them if they continue in sin. My husband thinks I should have done this to my parents, since they were not Christian, but I think that "honor thy parents' is to stay around home, NOT turn away from them, visit, take meals together.. the whole 9 yards. 3. I do not know of any scripture to back this up - but if a baby that is not old enough to walk or talk or make decisions, if it dies

con't... if the baby dies, does it go to heaven? I perosnally can't imagine a God of Love ALLOWING these babies into the world so He can turn around and sentence them to Hell. What do you think and why?

Answer 1

The only bible verse you need for the answer to your husband is this.

Luke chapter 14, verse 11

For whosoevr exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exhaulted.

There are more , but this one should do.

All are allowed in church. What your husband may be thinking about is having authority or position within a church. We are not to have or follow leaders with open unrepented sin. We are all sinners, so church is already full of sin to start with.

From your husbands viewpoint, it would seem that a person must be free from sin in order to enter a church, and with that in mind, all churches would be empty.

Now onto your family. I have very personal experience with this one, as both my husband and I have much close family that are unsaved and unchurched.

Jesus said to stay away from open sin, not away from non Christians. In fact, we are to live our lives in such a way that non Christians can "see" the difference. If we stayed away from all who do not believe, how would they ever "see" the difference.

We are told to honor our mother and father. There was no exception made to this, no extra writing that says except if they are non believers. We are not to allow them to pull us away from God, but we are to honor them.

If your parents are non believers and are not pulling you toward sin, meaning asking you to go out and get drunk with them or some other such thing, you may certainly have dinner and other non tempting activities with them.

Refusing to have anything to do with someone simply because they are a non believer is the basis of the verse that I gave you, for if you believe that they are somehow beneath you, then you have exhalted yourself, and humility cannot live inside of your exhaulted view of yourself. We are all sinners, we are not all believers.

Live in such a way that a non believer will want to know what belief is all about.

Answer 2

1. Babies are not responsible for the sins of the parents. Even if a child is born out of wedlock, it should be allowed in the church and treated as any other child.

2. I do not believe you should turn your back on your parents. I have unsaved members in my family and the only time they are ever exposed to the Word is when they are around those of us who are saved. You are right to honor them even though they are not saved. If they do not want to hear the Gospel, honor that as well and continue in prayer with them. You cannot influence them at all if you break contact.

3. I know of no scripture either but many Christians believe that there is an age of accountability (based on Jewish boys becoming men at 13), below which they are still not responsible for there sins. Those that die prior to that are presented in heaven. This includes babies that are aborted.

Answer 3

I believe that there is no better place for a sinner than church, church is not only for people already saved, but for the unsaved. Also just because a baby is born out of wedlock does not mean there parents are not christian. The bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, and who are we to judge, we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That is why Christ had to die on the cross and be resurrected for all our sins, past , present and future. For anyone to think that because they call themselves Christians that they will never sin again then they are not of this sinful world. We are saved by grace, Baptist and I'm sure other denominations believe once in grace always in grace, once saved always saved, this allows for our human sinful nature. Anyone, I believe who does not truly know of God, will go to Heaven out of ignorance, how can as you say a loving God send anyone to hell if they knew not of him, because they were never shown the way. This is why we have missionaries out in the field, to spread the Gospel and the teachings of Christ. Can they possibly reach everyone, maybe, if Christ does not return before.
So yes, babies, children, who do not know of sin, can not be held responsible, and will go to heaven. Never turn your back on your family, they need your Christian voice and love. Love is what Christ preached, lead by example, you don't have to preach to them, just answer questions if asked and pray for them every chance you get. You don't say that when you are with your family, if they indulge in the sinful ways of the world. or rather they are just not born again. Only you can determine what you want your immediate family, (husband, children) to be around. But never forsake the unsaved, they need our love, understanding and forgiveness, not judgment.

Answer 4

1) Babies born out of wedlock are not responsible for being born out of wedlock. Further, as someone else mentioned, Jesus clearly states, "Let the little children come to me, and stop keeping them away. For the kingdom of heaven belongs to people like these." (Matthew 19:14) If they aren't allowed in church, where will they hear the Gospel? As Paul testifies, "How, then, can people call on someone they have not believed? And how can they believe in someone they have not heard about? And how can they hear without someone preaching?" (Romans 10:14)

2) We are not to turn our backs on the unbelieving. Rather, we are to go to them, and share our testimony with them. "I wrote to you in my letter to stop associating with people who are sexually immoral-not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or greedy people, robbers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world." (I Corinthians 5:9-10) So, if Paul tells us that we can associate with the unbelievers like these, your parents are probably the least of your worries as to who you can associate with.

3) As far as what happens to a baby that dies, any doctrine that talks about an "age of accountability" is biblically incorrect. There is no Scripture that supports such a claim. This is a Jewish doctrine that some Christians have adapted for their use. The Bar and Bat Mitzvahs are celebrations by Jewish families where their children become adults as it relates to their religious accountability. The only Scripture that I can see that remotely has anything to do with a child's standing before God is this: "For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified because of her husband. Otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy." (I Corinthians 7:14) As to the rest of the children, I must say that all are born with the curse of Adam in their bodies. We cannot have any hope of heaven except through receiving the gift of Jesus Christ. And that is why it is so important to share the Gospel.

I hope that helps.

Answer 5

People are born with a sin nature. That means a baby has a sin nature and will grow up to sin, just like we all did. That has nothing to do with it's coming to church or unwed people coming to church. Jesus drew sinners around Him and told them the good news; that they could be forgiven, restored, saved. If a person is in a good bible teaching church for any length of time, the holy spirit which is alive will convict them of sin. I can hardly imagine anyone staying in church where they are hearing the gospel, day in and day out, and the word of God, day in and day out, and being able to continue in sin.

If you are the only Christian in your family, God is putting you there to be a light to them. Not lecture them. To demonstrate the love, compassion, forgiveness, mercy of Christ. No, you don't turn your back on them. That is not what the verse is speaking of. It means, belief will divide a family, mother against son, father against daughter....divisions do happen when one person is converted to Jesus Christ and others are upset about it. But it's not about arguing and telling others they are going to hell; it's about being an example, day by day, of His love.

Answer 6

1.Should a child go to 'church'; even if it was born of a sinful relationship? Yes If we say are without sin, we decieve ourselves. 1 John 1:8, Romans 3:23
2. Should one turn their back on helping Mom and/or Dad. No.
3. The baby starts its life at conception; not at birth. Start teaching the baby Christian principles as soon as you know the baby exist. (if not before). Also, keep in mind, a baby is in 'water' in the mother's womb.

Answer 7

here are the answers for your three questions

1) when a child is born out of wedlock it is not the child's fault so the church can not say that they can not go to church. God has put them on the earth for a reason.
2) we are not to turn our backs on our family just because they are not Christian, we are to show them that being a Christian is a good thing we are to be a positive Christ for the people that are not Christians.
3) if a child dies before he/she is of age that they know right from wrong they do go to heaven.

Answer 8

If you read in the Old Testament, you will see that Solomon, one of the greatest minds that wrote parts of the Bible was the baby from when David commited adultery with Bathseba. So God can use babies born out of wedlock and sin. That's the thing about God. He is full of grace and mercy, so even when we mess up, he forgives us.

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
--Matthew 19:14

Also, everywhere in the entire Bible it talks about God reaching out to unbelievers to save them. All of us were unbelievers at some point. What kind of Christians would we be if we didn't reach out to unbelievers?
17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." --Mark 2:17
Jesus does not spend time with the righteous, but with the sinners. We are righteous through him.

Also, that verse that talks about not being yoked with unbelievers is talking about marriage, not about friendship.

Answer 9

1. yes these children are allowed into the church 'AND LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME FORTH' not to mention that untill they are 7 years old they do not carry the burdon of sin states traditional dogma.

2.Honour thy father and mother does mean don't turn your back to them. Accept them as your parents and try to encourage them to change their ways.

3. Again children under 7 are not held with sins so the child actually gets a straight pass to heaven.

4. I'm an atheist. I went to a catholic school.

Answer 10

Simple answers!

1) YES babies are allowed in church! Sometimes they put them in a nursery (my personal preference) which is better equipped to handle their special needs.... but YEAH! And no church I've ever heard of would "kick out a baby" because it was born out of wedlock.

2) NO you don't turn your back on your family because they sin... I'm quite sure that you and your husband still sin from time to time (I know I do). And turning your backs on the non-Christians is actually against the Gospels and commandments of Christ when He told us to "go forth and make disciples of all the nations."

3) Most theologans agree that babies that die before "the age of decision" (whatever that is) will go to Heaven on a sort of spiritual "Get-out-of-jail-free" card... I don't understand that one necessarily, but I do believe it.