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I'm trying to make sense of a theological problem (I'm not a Christian). Acording to Christianity, is asking Jesus to die on a cross the only way God could have washed away our sins. If you say yes, then you admit that God is not all powerful. If you say no, then he made his son die for nothing. Can somone help me here?

2006-08-18 07:57:16 · 19 answers · asked by neil s 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The problem with this is that terms like omniscient and omnipotent are logical contradictions and get explained away with religion generated dogma.
IF there was a being, it couldn't be omnipotent because, it would be unable to create a stone so heavy, it couldn't lift it.
Since it would be unable to do at least one of these things, there goes omnipotence.
The most incredible thing about this is, that people that should have a brain like anyone else, are unable to see that something that lies about such fundamental things obviously lies whenever it it is 'believed' to be advantageous to the fairy story. Which makes any claims not possible to be substantiateable otherwise so suspect they need to be discounted totally!
In other words, lie to me once, and I won't believe anything else you have to say!!!

2006-08-18 08:04:35 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

neil s,
Good question. I am a Christian.
"Acording to Christianity, is asking Jesus to die on a cross the only way God could have washed away our sins."

Your sentence is worded akwardly. But I will try my best. The person praying to God who is as yet unsaved might ask Jesus into his heart, but not to ask "Jesus to die on a cross." He already died on a cross and was Resurrected.

" . . . the only way God could have washed away our sins."
It was the way God chose to wash away our sins.

You see, He wants some of us. He doesn't want some of us. It takes Faith to make the connection, and without it; you cannot make the connection.
He wants something from us; our trust and love. But how do you trust and love someone that you cannot see? You discover the revealtions ( that which was revealed about Him) through the scriptures. And by that, you either attempt to trust Him or you don't. If you are sitting there with your chums, do it on a dare. At least one of you decide to prove God is true to the others. And allow time to pass before you give up on it. I believe that what you will see is that something will change.

To the brave one, say:
Father in heaven, I believe that you sent your Son to die on the cross for my sins, and that he was resurrected by the Holy Spirit, and that I can claim as I do now, that Jesus Christ is Lord."

Who amongst you is the brave one?

2006-08-18 08:26:11 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Okay. We are all born into sin (Romans 3:23). God hates sin, and we cannot save ourselves .The punishment for sin is death so we all deserve to die (Exodus 34:7, Ezekial 18:4). God is all powerful, but He is also just. There was a punishment for sin and it had to be paid by someone. Jesus is the only one who can save us because he came to earth and lived a perfect life. He is the only one who has or ever will do that! He took our sins on himself, and died on the cross in order to pay for what should have been our punishment. Isaiah 53:6. I hope this helps! :-)

P.S. Also let's get some terminology straight in the above comments. Omnipotence=All Powerful (not that he can do anything; which He can by the way). Omnipresence=Always present. Omniscient=All Knowing.

2006-08-18 08:17:33 · answer #3 · answered by cnm 4 · 0 0

Does a judge have the power to say to a convicted killer " You know what just cause I'm a good guy I am going to forget that you just murdered" If that was possible our legal system would collapse into chaos.
There are spiritual laws also "The soul that sins it shall die" God obeyed the law by sending Jesus and freed all of us from the penalty.


Is the God of the Bible omnipotent?The word "omnipotent" is never used in the Bible, but has been inferred primarily by one of God's Hebrew titles, "Shadday," which is most often translated "almighty."1 However, the Bible never claims that God can do all things. In fact, the Bible makes a point that there are things that God cannot do. The Bible says that God cannot commit sin.2 God cannot lie.3 Therefore, biblical omnipotence does not mean that God can do all things. God cannot do anything that is contrary to His holy character. However, God can do anything that He determines to do. This is a true meaning of omnipotence - the ability to do anything that one sets out to do.

Specific arguments against omnipotenceSome of the arguments against omnipotence are plain silly and stupid. Can God create a spherical triangle? Saying that omnipotence requires the ability to do logically impossible things is stupid. God cannot turn truth into a lie. If humans define a triangle as a two dimensional object formed by the intersection of three lines, it makes no sense to ask if God could make one that was spherical. When one says that God is all-powerful, one means that God is able to accomplish all that He desires to do. Even an all-powerful being cannot do what is impossible by definition. God can do many things that are humanly impossible. However, there are some things that even an all-powerful being cannot do.

Can God create a rock He cannot lift? Since an all-powerful being will always be able to accomplish whatever He sets out to do, it is impossible for an all-powerful being to fail. The above atheistic argument is arguing that since God is all-powerful He can do anything - even fail. This is like saying that since God is all-powerful He can be not all-powerful. Obviously, this is absurd. An all-powerful being cannot fail. Therefore, God can create a rock of tremendous size, but, since He is all-powerful, He will always be able to lift it. The ability to fail is not a part of omnipotence.

Could God think of a time when He was not omnipotent? If He can't think of it, He isn't omnipotent, but if He does think of it then there was a time when He wasn't omnipotent? This question is quite similar to the rock question above. The answer, of course, is that God can never think of a time when He wasn't omnipotent. God has always been omnipotent. His inability to contradict His divine character does not mean that He isn't omnipotent.

ConclusionThe atheist distorts the biblical definition of omnipotence in order to "prove" that God cannot exist. Contrary to their claims, omnipotence does not include the ability to do things that are, by definition, impossible. Neither does omnipotence include the ability to fail. By defining omnipotence as requiring one to have the ability to fail, atheists have defined omnipotence as being impossible. Of course, an omnipotent God would never fail.

These kinds of arguments are clearly illogical and even silly, although they are commonly used by inexperienced atheists. Most intelligent atheists have dropped these kinds of arguments long ago.

2006-08-18 08:13:53 · answer #4 · answered by williamzo 5 · 0 0

God is a God of the law, of all man kind only about 5 got to heaven on there own accord. God does not want to destroy all but 5.
So a plan is laid, Christ would be born flesh, live a perfect life in the Law, die and be sent to Hell not for his sin (for he had none) but for all sin.

God is still a God of the law, but will defer to Christ on who's sins Christ accepts as payment for the Law. For full payment has been extracted from Christ for sins of the law.

If Christ does not accept you (knows you) then you must answer to the Law and your sins are counted! For God has not changed.

2006-08-18 09:03:19 · answer #5 · answered by Grandreal 6 · 0 0

No, it was not the "only way". God could have provided for our atonement any number of ways. Sending Christ on our behalf is simply the manner in which He chose to accomplish His purpose.

The Creator of our universe is perfect. He created us to be perfect as well and endowed us with a free will to make choices in life. However, mankind rejected the perfection of God to follow our own ways. Our disobedience brought sin and death into the world. We were created to live in perfection, and live for all eternity -- instead we struggle with our sinful nature, and know that our days on this planet are numbered. Our sin, results in the greatest enemy of all: death.

From the beginning, God promised that He would not leave us without hope in this world. Throughout the Bible's Old Testament, it was prophesied that there would come one who would defeat the power of sin and death. Those prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Jesus lived the perfect life that we were unable to live...He paid the punishment that our sins deserved by His death on the cross. What human has power over life and death? We all know that we have no power or control over death. Jesus claimed that He had power over death. He claimed that He would die and be raised to back to life. He claimed that He was the Son of God. Jesus allowed the people to crucify Him because that was God's plan for the redemption of our sins.

Jesus offers you a way to know the Father, and He offers you forgiveness for every mistake you make in life. You can graciously accept His gift, or you can simply reject Him.

Is this all logical? Yes and no. If you study the Bible's message it is very logical, and the books fit together in a unified whole...they all bear witness to the fact that Christ came to this world to conquer sin and death. While there is a beauty and logic to God's plan of saving us from sin & death, it can also seem extremely illogical from our limited perspective. Faith is what makes the illogical become perfectly logical. Faith makes that which seems crazy in the eyes of the world, the most sane and rational option of all: that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and our Savior from sin and death.

The Christian faith is the perfect fulfillment of OT prophecy. From the symbolism of Jewish ceremonial law, to a multitude of prophecies (such as Isaiah 53 & Psalm 22), they all pointed to Christ's sufering, death & resurrection.

2006-08-18 08:20:11 · answer #6 · answered by Seven 5 · 0 0

Like some one else posted, its the way he chose. He made it to where you have to have "faith" that Jesus was in fact the Messiah. While he did place all sins of man on his son and he let man sacrifice him, don't forget God also resurrected him and he is at his side. He let his Son be sacrificed to show his love for us.

2006-08-18 08:13:50 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Perhaps as they say jesus is god in human form god just wanted to show off how hard he was. But I'm not impressed are you? Or more probably he just isn't real. Say no to jesus

2006-08-18 08:06:08 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

God use to like it when you killed chickens and goats. Then he said I will have my son die for me. It doesn't really make sense.

2006-08-18 08:03:33 · answer #9 · answered by aplusjimages 4 · 1 0

if you know the story of adam and eve than you know the first sin...according to christianity the price of sin is death...everyone sins...so insted of everybody sining and dieing when they sin...jesus died on the cross so we dont have to die when we sin.

2006-08-18 08:16:16 · answer #10 · answered by purplemonkeyinlove 2 · 0 0

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