Can perfection exist without imperfect and vise versa?

Question

For God is perfect and created all which is imperfect, perfection cannot exist.

To all which is imperfect, perfection cannot exist.

Answer 1

How can a perfect being create an imperfect universe?

That seems like a contradiction, for if something is perfect it could not create any thing that is imperfect, or it must also be imperfect.

Answer 2

There are two answers to the question. The first is certainly. Neither require the other for existence.

The second is that perfection is a social construct that does not possess an independent reality. It does not exist except in our minds. You cannot touch it or see its operation. It is an idea like beauty, it does not exist independent of the construct. The physical facts exist and the animal reactions exist, but beauty is a social construction. So the idea of perfection is meaningless except as a social construction. However, if God exists and relates to His creatures, that relationship is a social construction and by definition holds meaning. If God does not exist, it is still a social construct and holds meaning because people have decided it does.

You are trapped in an meaningless tautology. Paradox cannot in reality exist, it is a function of language and word choice not of reality. If you find a paradox with or without a God, it means you do not understand the idea.

Answer 3

God intended for everything to be perfect. The imperfect did not need to happen. Or to put it another way, would real money exist if there were no counterfeit money?

Answer 4

In faith, perfection is God.
In reality, imperfections are what make everything adapt to everything else. If there were no imperfections, then there would be no feedback loops, and without the feedback of environment to species, nothing would work. So, in a nutshell, God is perfect, nothing else can be.

Answer 5

No, neither perfection nor imperfection can exist without the other with which to compare. Likewise, hot can not exist without cold to compare. You do not know a good wine without having tasted a bad wine.

If you do not have that which is not, that which is, is not.

Answer 6

Imperfections in life are in fact what makes them perfect.

The only truely perfect being was Jesus.

Answer 7

He did not create it imperfectly. He did give His creation Choice. What choice are you going to make?

There is really nothing very clever about the feeble argument presented here. It is not a new one just a silly one. You want to bring God down to your level. But you cannot, no matter how much you try.


"For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
"I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."

Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;
but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God."--1 Corinthians 1:18-29 (NASB)

Answer 8

Everything must have an opposite to exist. God created everything, and through our own choices we choose to obey God's laws or not. When we don't we create the opposite of what God wants for us.

Answer 9

Pst - God did NOT say let us create man.
God said: "let us MAKE man"... Genesis 1:26
And being MADE perfect, he became....Heb 5.
The God of all grace MAKE you perfect...1Pet 5
Of created/made, created is before of before/after.

Perfect + Imperfect = oxyMORON with a BAD end
Eg: Grace + Law = oxyMORON with WRATH end
Eg: Life + Death = oxyMORON with a DEAD end

Be ye perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Be ye merciful, as your Father in heaven is merciful.
Pst - at the throne of grace, only mercy is obtainable.

The "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Answer 10

Right. A real conundrum, ain't it? The part I don't get is He created Hell. If He didn't, who did? Why would a perfect thing want to do that??? Mysterious ways, yeah, right.