I find value in what Christ taught in the gospels...?

Question

But I am thinking about cutting everything Paul wrote out. Does anyone else think this way, and if so, what is their denomination? I think we focus too much on the teachings of Christ "through" Paul and not enough on the stuff Christ said himself. Any thoughts?

Answer 1

well, yeah, kinda,

i think the bible has lots of good life lessons and i like some of the cool stuff paul has not the jack aaa stuff like gays dont go to heaven

but i agree, we can find value in help the poor and all, the spiritual stuff IS uplifting

Answer 2

I completely believe this....I have recently started reading the gospels over and over to really absorb the content thoroughly and it is amazing how different Christ's and Paul's teaching are.....

I find it interesting that If I use any words of Christ in conversation with a Christian, they will reprove me with the teachings of Paul.

You are definitely on to something here....As far as denomination, my husband and I left church 14 years ago because we knew that we were supposed to come out.

Answer 3

Since Christ didn't actually "write" anything for the Bible, you would have to cut out all the other authors also. All of Christ's teachings in the Bible were "through" one person (author) or another.

Answer 4

G and I like Paul!

I guess some is better than none.
But know that Christ believed in the whole of the Law.

Answer 5

I can't say I know enough to answer the question but it's one of the most interesting questions I've heard yet. :-)

Does Paul contradict Christ in your opinion? If so, how? Would like to hear...

Answer 6

in Christianity there is no authority higher than Christ, so paying more attention to him than anything Paul wrote would be, in my opinion, understandable

Answer 7

**But I am thinking about cutting everything Paul wrote out**

Are you talking about stuff like this.
Acts 3
26"Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. 27The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath. 28Though they found no proper ground for a death sentence, they asked Pilate to have him executed. 29When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb. 30But God raised him from the dead, 31and for many days he was seen by those who had traveled with him from Galilee to Jerusalem. They are now his witnesses to our people.

A. Paul definitely distinguished between the children of Abraham and gentiles?
B.Paul accuses the people of Jerusalem and their rulers of spurring Pilate on to murder Jesus?
C.Paul says Jesus was hung in a tree ?

Yeah, that stuff is kind of hard to take.
Maybe Paul didn't know Jesus very well?

Answer 8

You must accept the bible in its entirety or you can't accept it at all. It is all of God's word. It is all or nothing. It is not multiple choice. Paul teaches what he experienced first hand while living and eating and traveling with Jesus. He was there through it all. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I will pray for you, for you are listening to the lies of satan.

This is what God says about what you are doing in your post.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Answer 9

That's a great question. If God forgives sin, why does he not just forgive the "sin" of being deceived about faith in him? Why would sincere people who just made a mistake about religion not spend eternity with God?

The first thing I can tell you is that God is not capricious, forgiving some and denying forgiveness to others. In fact, God desires for all people to experience forgiveness for sins and spend eternity with Him. He says, "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." But God isn't simply "forgiving." He is complex and has many other characteristics that mean he can't simply "ignore" sin. Sin has consequences.

But why is that faith in Christ's forgiveness so crucial? Why can't God just "overlook" sin. There are a number of reasons:

1) God is Holy. He cannot tolerate sin of any kind. So everyone has a problem, not just some of us, because we are all sinful.

2) God is just. A just God cannot just look the other way when we do evil, like a doting grandfather. If God is to be just, all sin must be punished. In the same way a judge who let's criminals off with no penalty is not a good judge, a God who winks at evil is not just.

3) God is merciful. God's justice is not all he is. His love of mercy means he desires a way for sin to be punished without people bearing the full penalty. His mercy provided a substitute to bear the penalty of sin; Jesus.

4) God is love. God loved his creation, people, so much that he was willing to suffer the penalty for our sin himself. He willingly substituted himself in our place, paying for our sin, so that he could demonstrate his mercy and love to us and remain just and holy. In my view, this is the only way God can be just and merciful, Holy and loving all at the same time.

So, if one believes in "other religions" why can't God apply the sacrifice made by Jesus to them? Or everyone? The reason is simple and painful. Jesus made clear that the only way to receive this gift of forgiveness of sin was to believe in Him. "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) But why is this faith response so critical? Why can't Jesus' death and resurrection be applied to all who are sincere?

To me, the answer lies in understanding God's purpose in creating people in the first place. He could have made more angels who would automatically love him. But he made people, and made them in his image. Part of that image, in my mind, is that we share in some way God's power to choose. He created all of mankind with the power to choose to love him, or choose to not. Choose to do as God desires, or do what we want.

My youngest son has a teddy bear that when the paw is squeezed, asks questions, and pauses for responses. It will say, "What's your favorite color?" and after any audible response says, "That's my favorite too." Randomly the bear will say, "I love you" and "You're my best friend." While the bear imitates things found in genuine relationship, it's isn't genuine relationship. The bear doesn't really love, it just says what is hard-wired onto the chip. It will say the same thing for anyone and everyone. God could have made people as 'hard-wired' animatronic beings who love without choice. But it wouldn't be genuine in the way beings with choice love. But that choice means people can and do choose not to love God. That some don't pains God greatly. That option is what makes the action meaningful. It's not required, but it does have consequences.

And the consequences is that we are responsible for how we respond to God's offer of forgiveness, and the evidence he gave us. Romans 1:18-20 says, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

So God's justice is perfect, and all are without excuse because all have evidence of God's divine attributes. They know their sin, and God's divinity and power. So they cannot sincerely follow any path, they must follow the path that God has given them evidence to follow. And that path leads to the need for a savior, and Jesus. In that way, it's clear that not all path's are equal, and sincerity doesn't lead to all paths either. WE all deserve to be separated from God for our sin. The only way to deal with sin is for someone to pay the penalty for us. Only Jesus, God incarnate, can be the substitute for sin. To reject Jesus' offer and follow a path of trying to be "good enough" is the problem.

Sometimes the narrowness of the path to God is hard to fathom. I know my heart longs to see more people in heaven, as does God. The reason the path is narrow is because the problem of our sin is so overwhelmingly difficult to overcome given the nature of God. Only his substitution for us could open any path to him. Jesus would not have endured the cross if it were not necessary. But having done so, he offers us full forgiveness and welcomes us to know him and his love for us.