Some chick ate an apple 1000's of years ago and we're supposed to worship the jerk who cursed the rest of us?

Question

Tell me your kidding.

Are we too primitive? So primitive we do -not- punish the children of offenders, and their children and their children, endless generations punished for the deeds of one person.

Imagine running our justice system this way:
"well, 500 years ago your ancestor committed a crime, so we're going to lock you up, and your kids too, and their kids..."

How do you manage to believe in this stuff?

Answer 1

Sounds like a Klingon punishment. If a family member is disgraced then it runs down the lineage of that family. Does anyone remember the Star Trek TNG episode: Sins of the Father? The one where Warf is officially dishonored on the Klingon home world because of his fathers actions. Anyways here is a new look at the whole Adam and Eve thing....(Genesis 1:26) The [Elohim] said, "Let us make humanity in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts and all the reptiles that crawl upon the earth." Elohim is a plural word, including male and female, and should properly be translated "Gods" or "Pantheon." (1: 27) The Gods created humanity in the image of themselves, In the image of the Gods they created them, Male and female they created them. (1:28) The Gods blessed them, saying to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven and all living animals on the earth."

Now clearly, here we are talking about the original creation of the human species: male and female. All the animals, plants, etc. have all been created in previous verses. This is before the Garden of Eden, and Yahweh is not mentioned as the creator of these people.

The next chapter talks about how Yahweh, an individual member of the Pantheon, goes about assembling his own special little botanical and zoological Garden in Eden, and making his own little man to inhabit it: (Gen 2:7) Yahweh God fashioned a man of dust from the soil. Then he breathed into his nostrils a breath of life, and thus the man became a living being. (2:8) Yahweh God planted a garden in Eden which is in the east, and there he put the man he had fashioned. (2:9) Yahweh God caused to spring up from the soil every kind of tree, enticing to look at and good to eat, with the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden. (2:15) Yahweh God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden to cultivate and take care of it. Now this next is crucial: note Yahweh's precise words: (2:16) Then Yahweh God gave the man this admonition, "You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden. (2:17) Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." Fateful words, those. We will refer back to this admonition later.

Then Yahweh decides to make a woman to go with the man. Now, don't forget that the Pantheon had earlier created a whole population of people, "male and female," who are presumably doing just fine somewhere "outside the gates of Eden." But this set-up in Eden is Yahweh's own little experiment, and will unfold to its own separate destiny. (2:21) So Yahweh God made the man fall into a deep sleep. And while he slept, he took one of his ribs and enclosed it in flesh. (2:22) Yahweh God built the rib he had taken from the man into a woman, and brought her to the man. Right. Man gives birth to woman. Sure he does. But that's the way the story is told here. (2:25) Now both of them were naked, the man and his wife, but they felt no shame in front of each other. Well, of course not! Why should they? But take careful note of those words, as they also will prove to be significant...

Now this next part is where it starts to get interesting. Enter the Serpent: (Gen. 3:1) The serpent was the most subtle of all the wild beasts that Yahweh God had made. It asked the woman, "Did God really say you were not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?" (3:2) The woman answered the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees in the garden. (3:3) "But of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden God said, 'You must not eat it, nor touch it, under pain of death." (3:4) Then the serpent said to the woman, "No! You will not die! (3:5) "God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." What a remarkable statement! "Your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." The Serpent directly contradicts Yahweh. Obviously, one of them has to be lying. Which one, do you suppose? And, if the serpent speaks true, wouldn't you wish to eat of the magic fruit? Wouldn't it be a good thing, to become "like gods, knowing good and evil"? Or is it preferable to remain in ignorance?

(Gen. 3:6) The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and pleasing to the eye, and that it was desirable for the knowledge that it could give. So she took some of its fruit and ate it. She gave some also to her husband who was with her, and he ate it. (3:7) Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they realized that they were naked. So they sewed fig leaves together to make themselves loincloths. The author makes an interesting assumption here: that if you realize you are naked you will automatically want to cover yourself. Further implications will unfold shortly...

(Gen. 3:8) The man and his wife heard the sound of Yahweh God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from Yahweh God among the trees of the garden. (3:9) But Yahweh God called to the man. "Where are you?" he asked. (3:10) "I heard the sound of you in the garden," he replied. "I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid." (3:11) "Who told you that you were naked?" he asked. "Have you been eating of the tree I forbade you to eat?"

And so the sign of the Fall becomes modesty. Take note of this. The descendants of Adam and Eve will be distinguished throughout history from virtually all other peoples by their obsessive modesty taboos, wherein they will feel ashamed of being naked. It follows that those who feel no shame in being naked are, by definition, not carriers of this spiritual disease of original sin!

(Gen. 3:12) The man replied, "It was the woman you put with me; she gave me the fruit, and I ate it." Right. Blame the woman. What a turkey! (3:13) Then Yahweh God asked the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman replied, "The serpent tempted me and I ate." So of course she blames the serpent. But just what did the serpent do that was so evil? Why, he called Yahweh a liar! Was he wrong? Let's see... (3:21) Yahweh God made clothes out of skins for the man and his wife, and they put them on. Out of skins? This means that Yahweh had to kill some innocent animals to pander to Adam and Eve's new obsession with modesty!

And now we come to the crux of the Fall. Yahweh had said back there in chapter (2:17), regarding the fruit of the tree of knowledge, that "on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." The Serpent, on the other hand, had contradicted Yahweh in chapter (3:4-5): "No! You will not die! God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." So what actually happened? Who lied and who told the truth about this remarkable fruit? The answer is given in the next verse: (3:22) Then Yahweh God said, "See, the man has become like one of us, with his knowledge of good and evil. He must not be allowed to stretch his hand out next and pick from the tree of life also, and eat some and live forever."

Get that? Yahweh himself admits that he had lied! In fact, and in Yahweh's own words, the Serpent spoke the absolute truth! And moreover, Yahweh tells the rest of the Pantheon that he intends to evict Adam (and presumably Eve as well) to keep them from gaining immortality to go with their newly-acquired divine knowledge. To prevent them, in other words, from truly becoming gods! So who, in this story, comes off as a benefactor of humanity, and who comes off as a tyrant? THE SERPENT NEVER LIED!

Answer 2

I refuse to believe that the "fall" of mankind is due to a woman with an eating disorder. What, she couldn't say no to an apple? It would be more believable if it were the chocolate tree from Dora the Explorer.

BTW if Eve had been bulimic and vomited up the apple before it was digested would we still be ignorant of good and evil? Would we still be punished?

Answer 3

If that apple had never been taken then Our Lady would never have become heaven's Queen......


Come on ....don't you find the story exciting? It's drama and tragedy....It has much to tell of our blood-soaked history.

There's more to life than your books ever can tell.

The poetry and the beauty of it....
The paradoxes that are involved....it's what makes life worth living.

The end result of the whole story is a happy one...and people like a good story.

Without it we would not have any cathedrals and castles much less music, theatre, art, universities, perhaps not even testtubes.

(and yes I believe it all but that's my problem)

Answer 4

I worship the Almighty dollar. A real and physical god, that has a influence in my ever day life. Plus I like apples.

"An apple aday keeps the doctor a way"

Answer 5

Your understanding of Aramaic is obviously zilch. Your comprehension of Hebrew is not obvious, and your understanding of the many translations needs a bit of assistance. There are different types of "etes"-- things made of earth capable of producing seed after its kind. Most of them kept their earth around them and stayed in one spot spreading their seeds. We call that type--trees. One type got the "breath of life" and was able to take their right spirits and walk around with their earth suits with them. Whatever they sowed they could pass down to their third and fourth generations: Exodus 34; 6-7.
Do you know of any apple trees that are able to grow in a land where people could run around naked? If you are caught eating a fruit that you were not supposed to, would you not cover your mouth? Since one of the "Etes" exposed man/woman to carnal knowledge, why is it that since then when people commit carnal knowledge they hide? Check ancient Hebrew traditions--committing carnal knowledge was referred to as "eating forbidden fruit." Try to figure out how demons enter most people up to today?
I would love to take you along with me on a deliverance session to see some prostitutes--just before the evil spirits leave them--how they literally take off slithering like snakes. This guy has a ministry where persons give him permission to film and distribute such tapes--Bob Larson and his website has the same name: Bob Larson Ministries.

Boaz.

Answer 6

you don't worship adam; he is the one that cursed the earth by his failure... but if you're referring to the Most High as a jerk; then i do feel sorry for you.

If you think you've had it bad; just wait until the coming of the Lion... hopefully before that time, you would have studied the Word of God for yourself. For if you had; it's no way you'd have to referred to your creator in such a way.

I sincerely hope you were referring to Adam.

Answer 7

On the other hand, what if you had an ancestor who owned a billion dollars, but who foolish lost it all. Then neither you nor any of your descendents for thousands of years would be given a billion dollars for free under our legal system.

Answer 8

Actually the apple only stands for something else like Adam and Eve had sex. Maybe god only wanted two people on earth so when they had sex they created a child so then god hated everyone after that!!!
Yeah that is really stupid!!!

Just a theory!!!

Answer 9

we are not cursed because eve ate an apple but because since that time.... everyone has been eating the "wrong apples".... sin entered the world and the world has been sinning ever since.......

it would be different if eve sinned.. and then after that, her kinds were perfect, and did nothing wrong.... but if you read the bible ,.... everyone messed up and we have been messing up ever since. Do you know anyone who is perfect and has never done anything wrong?

Answer 10

Man you are trully out there,I hope and pray for you that you first read the Bible before (try the first page man)you make these statements.
Do you know who Adam Is ?????Do you also know that God made a way for all mankind to be forgiven for our sins????

Do you know who Jesus Christ Is ????I dont think so.In your life you need to read something before you make untrue coments abiut It.Do you sign paperwork before you read IT??do you??/

You should read about forgiveness of sin and Jesus Christ
I will pray for you because you seem to be looking for acceptance
and It takes a man to stand for what he believes,I love the Lord Jesus Christ with allllll my heart and I dont lean on my own understanding,I was foolish like you at 1 time but then I stood alone and I am now blessed for It and I thatnk my Lord and savior Jesus Christ for It ,I dont deserve It but he trully did IT for me as he will for you I pray IN Jesus Name amen and I thank my Lord and My Savior Jesus Christ for him

Answer 11

I can explain it to you, but the question remains. Do you have the patience to learn? Do you truly desire an answer? Or are do you just want to complain? Let me know.
You can contact me via e-mail at [e-mail]. May the Lord bless and keep you. May He let the light of His face shine upon you.
God's and your beast of burden
Fr. john