Did you know that after the 10th nation joins the EU, the bible prophecy will be fulfilled and then rapture?

Question

That is what bible prophecy teachers like Hals Lindsey and everyone else taught in church in the 1980's back when there were less then 10 nations in the European Union. These were suppose to be the 10 horns of the revived Roman Empire over which the Antichrist would rule according to bible prophecy. They made a lot of money off of fools selling that story. Then country 11 joined, then 12, and so on. Now there are over 25 nations in the EU and more waiting to join. When Israel became a nation in 1948, they made money by teaching that that 40 year generation would not be over until Jesus returns. That period ended in 1988 with no Jesus, so bible prophecy had to be redone again. IF you are young and excited about today's events fulfilling bible prophecy, go and ask your grand parents or other old people how excited they were about the same thing in the 1940s, 1950s, 1969s etc. Read the history of bible prophecy, and see how every generation for the last 2000 years in end times.

Answer 1

wheres the question

Answer 2

Not every nation in the EU is going to sit in a role of leadership. The EU is going to be a socio/geo-political amalgam of the Revived Roman Empire. The problem the Antichrist will face is the struggling economies from country to country. So, the 10 financially and politically strongest nations will be at the head of the cominform. The rest will either be expelled and brought under political subjection, or annexed as Austria was with Germany by Hitler in WWII., but not placed in positions of authority, being held as people under occupation much like the children of Israel in the OT. These 10 nations will set the bar for everything financial, political, and RELIGIOUS! Believe me when I say that there will be 10 nations at the top of the heap, no more, no less. Everyone else will have to sign their sovereignty to the Antichrist or be taken by force.

Answer 3

Thank you for pointing that out. People tend to get excited and believe the end of the world is "around the corner", over every little thing that happens. Remember Y2K? Some predicted it would be the rapture, and nothing happened except for the fireworks and parties around the world.

Answer 4

proper. that's why the U.N has been so tremendous at preventing genocide global because it is first days. they could't even get the international places at the same time to assist remove malaria now to not instruct human beings like Saddam Hussein. merely blame it on faith to push an anti- God and u . s . a . of america message to something else of the international. faith also desires to appreciate that self upkeep of the society at entire is more effective major the non secular rights in on the prompt's international of terrorism. seem at how Islam terrorist don't have any difficulty with Hijab wearing lady suicidal bombers anymore.

Answer 5

You can't honestly believe that rapture stuff do you? You religious fanatics constantly preach how God loves us. In the next breath, tell us that if we don't believe what you tell us to believe, and pray what you tell us to pray, than we are going to hell. That bs has nothing to do with the Lord that I believe in and love to worship.

Interestingly, when did people start this whole "saved" idea? I would bet that the reason it was started by any religion was as a way to get money. Pure and simple greed.

Answer 6

Hal Lindsey has gotten few things right in his ministry. The rapture is a fake.

“Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, ‘Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?’ He said unto them, ‘An enemy hath done this.’ The servants said unto him, ‘Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.’’” (Matthew 13:24 – 29 KJV)

Now that is an interesting story, and it can be a little confusing; fortunately, because the disciples found this story a little confusing they also and asked Jesus to explain if further. Because our God is not a God of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), Jesus explained what this parable meant.

“Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, ‘Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.’ He answered and said unto them, ‘He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.’” (Matthew 13:36 – 42 KJV)

A closer study of this parable would seem to completely disprove the theory of a secret rapture of the church. Let’s take a look at what Jesus had to say about the time of the end through this parable. There are two groups on the earth represented by the wheat (the good or the church) and the tares (the evil). The workers of the field (probably representing angels) are troubled by the tares that the evil one (the devil) has planted. They ask the farmer (Jesus) if they should gather the weeds now and purify the field (the world). The farmer (Jesus) said that it should not happen that way because some of the wheat may come up with the tares. He then declares, “Let both grow together until the harvest (the end of the world): and in the time of harvest (the end of the world) I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” I find it hard to be a proponent of a secret rapture for the church when Jesus said that both the good and the evil will grow together until the harvest (the end of the world). How can the church be raptured, leaving the evil on the earth, when Jesus said they will be together until the very end?

There is another issue raised by this parable. Many well intentioned Christians use the story in Matthew 24:40 & 41 and Luke 17:34 – 36 as key proof of a secret rapture for the church, but if we examine this story about the end times with the earlier story Jesus told about the end times in Matthew 13, we get a completely different picture from what most Christians interpret this story to mean. Let’s look at what Jesus said in these verses.

“Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.” (Matthew 24:40 – 42 KJV)

“I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (Luke 17:34 – 36 KJV)

Now I do not think that I am wrong in thinking that most Christians interpret these stories to mean that the man taken from the field, the woman that is taken while grinding, and the man taken in his sleep are the ones that belong to the group that is the church and are ruptured. This does not seem to be a plausible explanation however. Jesus gives an order for things to happen back in Matthew 13. “Gather ye together first the tares (the evil), and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat (the good or the church) into my barn.” Jesus clearly says that the evil will be gathered first. If we take this understanding and apply it to Matthew 24 and Luke 17, we get a very different understanding. The ones that are taken are not in the group we want to be in. The ones who are taken are the tares (the evil) that are being gathered to be burned, but the ones that are left are the wheat (the good) that are saved.

There is another metaphor that many well intentioned Christians use to support a secret rapture for the church; I feel that this too is an invalid interpretation of a story.

“But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.” (Matthew 24:43 & 44 KJV)

“And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:39 & 40 KJV)

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV)

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10 KJV)

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” (Revelation 16:15 KJV)

Here again, most Christians would attempt to say that this metaphor of a thief in the night is depicting a secret rapture for the church. I believe that most Christians have misinterpreted this too. First, Jesus explains what this metaphor means. He says that the meaning is not that the second coming is a secret but we do not know when it will occur. If we knew what day the Lord was to come, we would get ready the day before it, but since we do not know the day or the hour (Matthew 24:36), we must be ever ready! Just examine what Peter had to say of this metaphor in 2 Peter 3:10; he says that when the Lord comes as a thief,” the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, the elements shall melt with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therine shall be burned up.” Now I am not sure how all that could be kept a secret from anyone or how people would be able to live on the earth when it has passed away, burned up, and all the elements in it have melted.

The ten horns represented the ten tribes that formed after the fall of the roman empire. Ask a question about the beasts of Daniel and revelation if you want to know more about that topic.

Answer 7

If you loved the Lord as most Christians do you would expectantly wait for His return as well. Just because many people have had many different ideas as to when that is going to happen does not mean that it will not happen. I think the people who teach these things mean well, but the truth is that the scriptures that they base their belief on is more spiritual than physical. Know this, Jesus Christ IS coming for a His bride one day....we are told to be ready.

Answer 8

Good point....They are heaping teachers together and paying them good money for a lot of ridiculousness.

I would love to see people just seek God and love other human beings, instead of waiting for this show-down, where they presume that they right and everyone else is wrong.

Answer 9

Based on the Scriptures below, I believe that the church of God (1 Cor.10:32 below - the saints of the most High, Dan.7:25 below), will face the tribulation under the beasts of Revelation chapter 13.

The "tribulation" will occur between the Sixth SEAL (Re.6:12-17) and the Seventh TRUMPET (1 Thess.4:16-17)..

The Seventh Trumpet (which many refer to as "the Rapture") will occur at the CONCLUSION of the “tribulation”.


1 Cor.10:32Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

Matt.24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Dan. 7:21I beheld, and the same (little) horn (king) MADE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and prevailed against them (Dan.7:25 below);

Dan.7:25And he (the little horn/king - Dan.7:8, Dan.7:24) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High (Re.15:3), and think to change times and laws (Re.13:15, Dan.11:31): and they (the saints) shall be given into his hand until A TIME and TIMES and THE DIVIDING OF TIME (3 ½ years/1260 days) .

Dan.8:24And his (the king's - Dan.8:23, little horn's - Dan.8:9, Dan.7:24) power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (but Satan’s - Re.13:11-12): and he shall destroy wonderfully (Re.13:15), and shall prosper, and practice, and SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY AND THE HOLY PEOPLE (Dan.12:7 below, Col.1:22, Eph.1:4).

Re.12:17And the DRAGON (Re.12:9, Re.20:2) was wroth with the woman (the church of God - 1 Cor.10:32, Col.1:22, Col.1:24), and WENT TO MAKE WAR WITH THE REMNANT (the rest) OF HER SEED, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Re.13:7And it was given unto him (the beast of Re. 13:1) TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, AND TO OVERCOME THEM: and (Satanic) power was given him (Re.13:2) over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations (Dan.7:23, Re.17:15).

Re.13:15 And he (another beast coming up out of the earth, Re.13:11) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as WOULD NOT WORSHIP the IMAGE of the beast SHOULD BE KILLED .

Re.16:6For they (those who had the mark of the beast, and those who worshipped his image) have shed the blood of SAINTS and PROPHETS, and thou hast given them blood to drink (Re.16:4); for they are worthy. (of this punishment)

Re.17:6And I saw the woman (that great city Babylon - Re.17:5) drunken with the blood of the SAINTS (Dan.7:21, Re.13:7, Re.13:15, Re.11:7), and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Re.18:24): and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Dan.12:6-7And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the END of these wonders?

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for A TIME, TIMES, AND AN HALF (3 ½ years or 1260 days); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people (Dan.8:24, Re.11:3, Re.11:7), all these things shall be FINISHED (Re.10:7).



Pat (ndbpsa ©)

Answer 10

Fulfilled for the 3rd time? or is it 4th... Don't listen to false teachers who claim to know exactly what the Apocalypse means.

Answer 11

one of jesus' followers asked him "when are you coming back?" and jesus answered "some of you standing here will still be alive when i return" (my paraphrase)

hmmmm .. that was a couple thousand years ago