Who is more moral...?

Question

1.) Do you:
a.) Abhor slavery, or
b.) Condone it, even to the point of selling one's daughters into slavery (Exodus 21:7) and allowing masters to beat slaves to death since "he is his money" (Exodus 21:20-21)?

2.) Would you:
a.) Condemn any act of genocide, or
b.) Command it of your followers, slaughtering even down to the last infant (1Samuel 15:2-3)?

3.) Would you:
a.) Insist that "the punishment fit the crime", or
b.) Demand infinite punishment for a finite transgression (Matthew 25:46)?

4.) Are you:
a.) Tolerant of others regardless of physical handicap, or
b.) Would being near someone with a disability "profane (your) sanctuaries" (Lev. 21:17-23)?

5.) Should a rapist:
a.) be thrown in prison, or
b.) be required to marry his victim (Deut. 22:28-29)?

If you answered "A" to ANY of these questions, congratulations! You are more moral than Jesus-who-is-also-God himself; and you have shown the absurdities of the biblegod's laws [which Jesus' sacrifice couldn't possibly have done away with, as they are both perfect (Psa 19:7) and eternal (Psa. 119:160)].

To "NewCatholic": what CONTEXT could POSSIBLY make discrimination, slavery, or genocide acceptable? You inherently know they're wrong, and you're a human being; why wouldn't an infinitely wise and compassionate deity be able to figure it out?

Answer 1

The moral person does NOT judge others or take Gods word out of context.

Peace!

Answer 2

1) Thanks for reminding us again that the Judeo-Christian were the first society to stand against slavery, as shown by the old testament laws were slavery was VOLUNTARY and for a season (up to 7 years max or the debt for which they sold themselves was paid) unlike other societies where everyone was automatically a slave except the king and maybe a small handful of his elite. It is a concept that has lead to the almost total elimination of slavery in the world today (except in atheist countries like China of course).

2) One wonders if all the old testament Jews at the time of Samuael had listened to him an completed the slaughter of the Arab people, what the world would be like without the Muslim and others around. I wonder how many millions of death might have been prevented had there not been Crusade, Palestinian suicide bombers, 9/11, war in Iraq and Afghanistan, between Israel and how many of its neighbors, etc. Just maybe, if they had done it, millions and millions more what have been spared death, destruction and war. Just a thought...

3) SInce the punishment in Matthew 25:46 does fit the crime, the whole question is pointless.

4) Again, the law in Leviticus 21:17-23 says that a person who is handicapped is to receive the pay (bread) due to him if he was not handicapped but is not required to do the work. So sounds like you are in favor of starving the handicapped instead?

5) Deutronomy 22:28-29 never says a thing about rape. The old testament punsihment for rape was stoning. This takes about a couple who are "doing the deed" before they are married. When the father finds out, the guy is to pay a penalty to the father for sleeping with his daughter out of wedlock, and then marry her rather than just "hump and dump". Sounds right to me. If men where taught to take financial and legal responsability for their actions, maybe then we wouldn't have all these abandoned single mothers living on welfare, and raising fatherless kids in poverty.

Funny how why you actually think about the ideas, the Bible laws make sense.

Answer 3

Morality has nothing to do with it.

According to some brands of Christianity, you never have to fear hell. A few rapes, some armed robberies, maybe a trail of serial killings. And then when the game is all but over and you are staring death in the face, accept Jesus as your personal saviour and it's off to heaven for you.

For these guys, the argument that people need religion to be moral is utterly bogus. So follow those biblical edicts and don't worry be happy.

Answer 4

1, 2, 4, and 5 are all Old Testament passages. Christ himself said that he is the fulfillment of the Law (the Old Testament rules and regulations); Christians have understood this to mean that they are not obligated to obey the Law of the Hebrew Bible.

As for #3, you have mischaracterized the quote. It is equally reasonable to assume that "eternal punishment" fits the "crimes" of refusing to feed the hungry or giving a drink to the thirsty or welcoming strangers or clothing the naked or visiting the prisoners. If your life demonstrates that you are not concerned about the comfort others, then God will demonstrate that he is not concerned about your comfort in the afterlife. Seems like tit-for-tat, if you ask me.

Answer 5

Finally, someone who looks at the world with their eyes open. You make some great points.

Answer 6

Blasphemer!

Answer 7

Hold on now. Jesus is responsible for the new testament.

Answer 8

Ah, out for your morning troll, I see...
(valid points though)

Answer 9

clever