If god is timeless and all knowing?

Question

why would he even allow the creation of people he already knows are condemned to hell? how can he be a loving god if he willfully condemns people to hell before they're even born?

Answer 1

Excellent question. And one more - why would an omnipotant god decide to deliberately create a series of events that included the brutal killing of his own son and teach his creation that the only way they can enjoy being with him is to honor, love and blindly follow his will or go to hell. That's our choice - to submit ourselves to the whims of a cruel and brutal god that promises us trials and tribulations in this life in hopes of him allowing us to be with him when we die - to do what? Watch him amuse himself as he observes the misery he created all in hopes that it will drive his creation to him for their salvation. I know what people would think of me if I developed a plan to purposely get a woman pregnant and have a child born so that at 32 I can have him/her horribly murdered and then tell everyone that through this childs death they can be happy as long as they blindly follow me and all I say. I would be in a mental hospital, yet that is exactly what people are doing with something they can only hope is real.

Our free will does not exist. The god of the bible sais that he knows already who will be saved and who won't. He knew before time those of his creation would believe in Jesus - the son he designed to murder from the begining - and who wouldn't. He is not a just god because - above all else - Israel is the "true branch" and the rest of humanity are simply grafted onto that branch if we decide to blindly follow him. Through it all, the god of the bible explicitly and unequivecally states that Israel will be saved first and the rest of us can jump on board if we want. And he already knows who is going to be grafted in. Before god ever created anything he designed a play that, in some acts unspeakable things would be done - icluding the murder of his only begoten son with a climax of a great war that ends with the horrible death of those he created knowing already that they weren't going to accept his crazed and insane demands to blindly trust him to save us from misery - he who planned the brutal murder of his own son. If he can plan and carry out the murder of his son what should I expect for myself? Nothing pleasant from him - that is for sure.

Answer 2

God doesn't send condemn people to hell. probably the most known verse in the bible John 3:16 God so Loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. You see God doesn't condemn anyone man (woman) condemn their self. Yes! God knows who will chose Him and who will not. Our God is a just and rightous God and though he knows what will happen he is still generous enough that he allows us to make our choose's ( He knows what we will do, but lots of the time we don't)
Matthew 5:45 (a) He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. If the bad was stopped from being able to be born or all of creation was stopped when Adam and Eve sinned then all the people who choose to serve God would also never be born. evil (for now) is sometimes tolerated for the sake of the good. Isaiah 55:8-9
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.

Answer 3

There is no one who is automatically condemned to hell. And hell is a place where God isn't. Everyone has a choice--choose to be with God or apart from God. So your question is then, why did God bother to create those He knew would never choose Him (and therefore would choose hell)? Why not just let only those who will choose to follow Him be born? For some reason God still wants us to go through the process of choosing.

Answer 4

Why do you think God condemns people to Hell before they're born? I've never heard that before. And I don't believe it for a second.

Answer 5

God's timeless and omniscient, people aren't. They have free will, and some may choose differently. Look at time and people's actions as a pool table with the balls racked and ready. You know that eventually all the balls will go into one pocket or another. Let another person do all the shooting. You are God. You know the balls are going in, but as long as you allow someone else to choose, you are allowing the shooter to determine his final score, and which balls will end up in which pocket. Not the best analogy, but good enough.

Answer 6

I've often wondered about that question too. But you know what, the only answer I can come up with is one you may get many times. It is not God who willfully condemns, but us. I do not believe in this predestination crap that some protestants support. I believe that all of us make a "willful" choice ourselves.

Answer 7

1st of all god is not intervening at this time satan is runing the system of things as quoted adn his day when he wrecks revenge will be called armeggedon. He does not wish any to eb desroyed but there is no hell fire and that woudl sound hypocritical. catholicsm made up satan with horns an the hellfire thing. in the bible hell is sheoul a latin term for hell and hell is this: death the grave - that being said and known in truth hell is death not eernal torture and that is sad to be dead when ya dotn have to be .. there is satan pretending to be flase prophets in disguise ya cant blame all things on God there is satan .. his fallen son form the heavens an angel who fell onto earth.all books of life are made for each individual before birth. we all have a choice how to live. each of us just as our blood is unqiuely made fro each person no one has identical fingerprints or blood makeup. believe it or not if not dont worry about such matter then .. live be happy dont worry bout it..

Answer 8

It is not God's will that people should go to hell. People who have sinned against God are bound for hell and it was their sin that condemned them, not God.

God gave us a way that we might be saved hell. God made it SO easy for us to be saved from hell because he IS a loving God that wants to prevent people from going to hell. You need only to believe that Jesus died to pay our sin debt and in doing so absolved us of all sin and made us righteous in God's eyes.

Don't need a savior you say??? Humor yourself. Take a look at the ten commandments. Ever told a lie?? Ever looked at another will lustful thoughts?? Ever hated a fellow human being?? Ever stolen something??

Answer 9

He does not condemn them. They have freewill to choose him or satan. If they choose satan that is their fault not his. He makes us all for a purpose. some try to obey that purpose. Others willfully choose to rebel. If they choose to rebel, then they serve no purpose. The key words there are serve and purpose. Too many people think that God is supposed to serve us. They think he is supposed to serve our purpose. Does a potter make a bowl so that he can fulfill the needs of the cup? No, the cup must fulfill a need of the potter.

Answer 10

I dont trust there's a all effective, all understanding, undying God. I mean, imagine about it. He is conscious each and every little thing, mutually with how a lot the devil might want to shrink to rubble each and every little thing, and each and every of the hassel, so why hardship. I mean, I understand people having loose will, yet when he's conscious the solid people and the undesirable peopel earlier they were born, why create those who're destined to fail...