christians why don't you open your mind and try logic?

Question

Many christians have told me to try their imaginary god so why don't they try logic for a change. 2 of every animal on a boat for 40 days come on think about it for a change. Say no to jesus http://www.saynotojesus.tk

Answer 1

I found that site very inforamtive and amusing at the same time.

Answer 2

Most of us have tried logic and been left lonely, depressed, and without hope. Logic came first and failed in my life.

God is capable of anything. 2 of every animal on a boat for forty days and millions of functioning human beings destroying a planet piece by piece because they chose logic over love. Turning this planet into hell instead of heaven, that's not logical to me.

Answer 3

Why should I say 'no' to Jesus, when I have proved Him to be faithful in every way for the past 37 years of my life? Life is not all about logic, there are far more dimensions to us than that! God is infinite - we are finite.

This is what the Bible says: Paul the Apostle says while being inspired by God

I know very well how foolish the message of the cross sounds to those who are on the road to destruction. But we who are being saved recognise this message as the very power of God. As the Scriptures say,
"I will destroy human wisdom
and discard their most brilliant ideas."

So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense. Since God in His wisdom saw to it that the world would never find Him through human wisdom, He has used our foolish preaching to save all who believe.
1 Corinthians chapter 1 verses 18 - 20

(v 24 - 25)
But to those called by god to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the mighty power of God and the wonderful wisdom of God. This "foolish" plan of God is far wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God's wisdom is far stronger than the greatest of human strength.

Speaking of logic, - read this
But God shows His anger from Heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see His invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Romans 1 verses 18-20

Answer 4

Try logic? The Christian faith is very logical and also is rooted in history. How do you call it logical to mock something that you obviously haven't studied (hint: your second sentence is factually incorrect). There is nothing logical about a "say no to Jesus" campaign...especially when you are ignorant of who he is.

Answer 5

There are some subtleties at work here that seem to be escaping the notice of most people. They have to do with the nature of 'belief'.

A rational person might say "I believe in the Big Bang." A religious person might say "I believe in creation, as described in Genesis." But these statements are not even remotely similar, with respect to what is meant by the word 'believe'.

For the rational person, the statement of 'belief' in the Big Bang means that they understand that the concept provides a scientifically and mathematically consistent explanation, congruent with the evidence, which accounts for the evolution of the universe from a fraction of a second after the initiating event, up until the present. When the 'inflationary model' came to the fore, rational people said "Well, good... that clears up a few questions and makes things even more coherent." NOBODY threw up their arms and wailed "Oh, no... oh, no... ain't so... ain't so... the Big Bang is the inerrant truth... not this ridiculous, atheistic 'inflationary' model."

See... when we say "I believe in the Big Bang", we don't really mean the same thing as the religious person means when he says "I believe in creation, as described in Genesis," or "I believe in God." Our 'belief' in the Big Bang (or anything else) isn't really a 'belief'... it is more properly a 'paradigm'... a useful way of looking at something, or thinking about something. If additional information is uncovered that adds to the conceptual model, that is a good thing... not a disaster. If part of the conceptual model is discovered to be incorrect, and must be tossed in the trash and replaced with something completely different... that is also a good thing... not the end of the world as we know it. And often, no matter how highly confident we may be of the accuracy or completeness of a particular paradigm, we may have reason to apply a DIFFERENT paradigm to the same thing; for example, we might want to contemplate the potential implications of a major change in a physics theory from the perspective of the Tao, the Gaia hypothesis, or ecological homeostasis. We KNOW that all theories are approximations... and that is OK. We KNOW that we don't know all the answers... and that is OK. There is nothing wrong with saying "We don't know... yet; but we're working on it."

But these modes of thinking, perceiving, contemplating and understanding are utterly alien to the 'religious' mind. For the religious mind, a 'belief' is not a paradigm... not a useful way of thinking about something... it is an internalized conviction that one knows the absolute 'truth' pertaining to some aspect of existence and/or fundamental reality. 'Beliefs' are a key component filter of the religious person's 'self-description'... a part of what DEFINES them as a person... the very thing that creates their world-view... their 'subjective reality'. Any attack on one of these internalized 'beliefs' is interpreted as a vital threat... an attack upon the 'self-description'... and attack on their subjective reality.

And here is the key difference: When there is a change in one of the paradigms dealing with a scientific concept, or a new insight into the workings of the universe, it constitutes an interesting new piece of knowledge and understanding. However, if some new piece of information (a feature of the universe, for example) seems to threaten a tenet of Christianity, everybody goes to battle stations, goes into 'damage control' mode... for fear that the whole edifice will come crashing down. And, ultimately, it will.

So, when a fundie disparages evolution, for example, it really has nothing to do with a genuine, intellectual dispute regarding scientific details... they are generally scientifically illiterate, anyway. Any 'scientific' arguments that they present are inevitably not even understood... they are just lifted from the pre-packaged lies and misrepresentations that are found on dozens of 'Liars for Jesus' (LFJ) web sites, and parroted. They are in a battle. They are trying to sink science before science sinks them. They are desperate... and science is (mostly, and unfortunately) oblivious to the fact that they are even in a fight, and that somebody is trying to sink them. They are just blithely bopping along, doing what science does... figuring out how nature works.

No... none of this has anything to do with a mere disagreement pertaining to evidence and understanding. It has to do with minds that deal with fundamental issues in an entirely different way. It has to do with a flexible, open-minded, intellectually honest curiosity about the universe contending with a rigid, unyielding world-view that depends from a certainty that their delusional faith-based 'beliefs' represent the absolute 'truth' of reality.

We might as well be talking to an alien species, from a distant planet.

When the religious enter a forum like this one, they are (generally) NOT seeking new information which might allow them to QUESTION their beliefs more effectively, or might put their beliefs at risk... they are seeking VALIDATION... of their beliefs, and hence, their self-description.

Answer 6

if you want Christians to try logic, why don't you try Christianity. if you opened your mind and read the bible without being so skeptical you might learn something! but just don't read the words in the bible, learn the writing styles of the various authors and learn to interpret and understand the message within. put the puzzle pieces together and logic and spirituality can co-exist. learn to decipher what the bible truly is without ignorance and maybe you'll see the method to what you seem to feel is madness. also learn that logic is in the eye of the beholder.

Answer 7

Tom,

First of all isn't it presumptuous to assume that Christians are all illogical just because they haven't drawn the same conclusions about God as you?

Secondly i think its quite logical that God is able to do things which are beyond the comprehension of the human mind. It's what makes God- God and man, man.

If everything God did had to follow human law and logic, how much greater than humans would He be?

Here's something amazing to chew on: Einstein proposed that time stops when one travels at the speed of light. The Bible describes Heaven as a place where we are not confounded by time- isn't it interesting that God said He is light? (Not all Christians believe blindly) without using their minds...

Nickster

Answer 8

Would it be logical to ignore spiritual evidence in the practice of discerning spiritual things? If I hear a sound and you say, "There is no sound," should I believe you? If you can not understand, does that make it unfathomable? Though saturated in paint, might a man deny the existence of paint?

Why should I believe you? Where are the works brought about by your faith? Where are the mighty accomplishments? Where were you when He formed the earth and all things in it?

Romans 1
"18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. "

Answer 9

Speaking of logic, let's look at your statement. Oh wait, there is no logic there. Not all Christians read the bible literally.

Answer 10

Your begining to sound like a broken, stuck record!! But at least you are giving me a smile again, on this dark, dismal, day!!

Tom. Tom, Tom: when will you learn?

There is no such thing as 'Logic' when it comes to 'Spiritual' or 'Godly' matters: These are things that defy all logic & reason... That's why its called having 'Faith'!!

Smile yourself my friend... Jesus still loves you!!

Answer 11

Actually Noah and his family were in the Ark for 378 days, not just 40.