Is the Pro-Illegal immigration really that stupid or just terribly misinformed?

Question

Lets review their ignornance for a moment.

1. They state that if you want the laws of this land obeyed and enforced you are racist. They can deny it all they want but it's right there in their own words for all to see. Using their lack of logic all people in the world are racist because 99% of the population of the world want their laws obeyed.
2. They seem to think the economy of this country would collaspe if we had no illegal workers. Using their logic illegals have some magical economic powers that no serious study has been able to find.
3. Back to the "racist" issue, unless you can show me that our invaders from south of US border are Asian or Black they aren't a different race. It's called an ethinicity folks please learn the difference.
4. Yes they do have taxes withheld, almost always with a stolen Social Security Number so now we add identity theft to the list of crimes. Do you want your SS# being used illegally ?

Will you please wake up and smell the coffee now ?

Regarding the dispute over #4. The IRS has plenty of figures to back up my assertion.

Ahhh I see some mental midget now tossed out the BIggot word ROFLMAO. So now I'm a Biggot because I want the laws enforced, how pathetically ignorant.

This isn't about Immigration which I'm all for. This is about ILLEGAL Immigration which everyone in their right mind should be against

Answer 1

Both sides are blurring (or ignoring) essential distinctions.

1. The US government is ignoring all kinds of other laws, but want to enforce these. And they want to inforce them in a way which might (I don't have distinctions in front of me) have a massively different impact on one racial, ethnic or demographic group. It's also worth noting that many of those who want tougher immigration crackdowns only seem concerned with immigrants from Central/South America, so the claim is not unreasonable in all cases.

2. The issue isn't economic collapse. That's just scare tactics from both sides. The real issue is that most of the people in question do have jobs, and that most of those jobs won't get done if the employers can't pay under-the-table. If people are complaining that a 50 cent increase in the minimum wage would have a devastating effect on the economy, how can they argue that doubling or tripling the amount of money that many businesses are now paying undocumented workers won't have the same effect. The people arguing can't have it both ways.

3. Look at the definition of the terms. Racial "Of or related to genetically distinguished groups of people". Ethnic "Relating to or being a member of a particular cultural group or having a particular ancestry". While there are subtle distinctions from an anthropological viewpoint between a race and an ethic group, in common practice the distinction is too small to worry about. Race, as commonly used in everyday speech, refers to genetics, ancestry, national origin, and ethnicity. Technically you're right about the distinction, but that's a losing battle.

4. That's a generalization that I won't even try to argue. Absent a comprehensive study, which is impossible given the nature of the problem, you cannot prove and I cannot disprove the assertion.

What most people also fail to recognizes are the distinctions being offered in solutions. It's physically and logistically impossible, not to mention enconomically impractical, to deport 12-14 million people. Can't do it. And even if we could, the costs far outweigh the gains given the current state of things, and it does nothing other than make people angry.

So, the question is, what can we do that is feasible and practical to address the issue. First, you can't punish someone more severely for an action than you said you would when they did it. That's an ex post facto law, and it's unconstitutional. So, the worst we can do is make things have a higher penalty for future illlegal entries.

Second, how serious is the undocumented entry itself? One side of the spectrum argues it should be a felony, as serious as aggravated assault or grand theft. The penalty therefore must be deportation. But see the problem above. Not to mention, this also means that anyone playing good samaritan could also be convicted of a felony. Ouch.

The other side argues that it should be as serious as driving without a license and insurance. Under this model, those who have valid jobs, and who have no other criminal record can continue working legally. They pay a fine, have the misdemeanor put on their record, pay their back taxes, pay future taxes, and do all the required paperwork. It's not amnesty, because it's still a criminal conviction and a fine. But it treats the act as a paperwork crime, rather than as a violent crime.

Everbody on both sides is ignoring lots of distinctions. They fail to make the distinction between illegal immigrant and immigrant; between amnesty and a misdemeanor conviction; between the intent of the laws and their effect on a particular group; and between what is possible and what is not.

Everyone needs to stop, take a deep breath, and start looking at the facts. And not make wild accusations (like #4) which are nearly impossible to prove.

Answer 2

Neither, You are only racist if you think you are superior to other races. Many of you are racist and choose, for some weird reason, to deny it, yet make racist remarks.

I didnt say that the economy would collapse, but I do think that it would definately hurt our economy.

Many of the illegals entering from the south may very well be Black or Asian, but dont tell me that there, on a large scale, is not a color difference in Most Mexicans and white Americans.

You are right that they do have taxes taken out of their checks directly. The social security numbers used are not from actual people or stolen cards. They buy them from a coyote, they are fake and have a number that is not yet used. So when they try and use it to get a drivers license, it doesnt work. It shows as a number not yet issued.

Is there anything else you would like to know?

Answer 3

It´s due to both ignorance and being misinformed. Nowadays it´s not considered political correct to oppose ANYONE regardless of whether they are illegal or not because everyone is afraid of offending everybody, or of getting sued, etc. I agree with you especially on the ethnicity issue. People are always confusing racism with prejudice. They throw the word racist around and I´m convinced they just don´t know what it means.

Answer 4

I've never called anyone rascist for being anti-immigration... But anyway, why not just allow them to be citizens... Isn't the US the place where thousands would come seeking a better life... So why does that have to end now?

Answer 5

Granted that they don't have a good argument, they are trying to shift the focus to an area where they either win (if it really were racism) or where they at least have a modicum of ammunition (such as to the extent they pay taxes.)

However, they have no argument at all as to why we, who do not benefit from their cheap labor, should pay for their education and services at the expense of our own children and sick, so they avoid that field altogether.

Answer 6

HERE YOU GO FOR ALL THE PRO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Heroin ring takedown starts in Middle Tennessee
By Blake Farmer, News Correspondent
August 16, 2006

An investigation meant to dismantle a Mexican drug ring that started in Nashville almost one year ago has led to more than 150 arrests around the country.

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez announced the findings of “Operation Black Gold Rush” on Tuesday even as local law enforcement officials were making arrests.

Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) officials said the Mexican-based organization was made up of mostly illegal immigrants based in 15 cities, including Knoxville and Memphis. They allegedly had a well-run business model set up to move heroin around the country, with members even using titles like district manager and receiving salaries with benefits.

“This organization worked much more like an American corporate model,” said Harry Sommers, the local DEA special agent in charge, during a Tuesday press conference at the Estes Kefauver Federal Building and U.S. Courthouse in downtown Nashville. “They even had a standardized product out of a city called Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico.”

Jim Vines, the U.S. attorney for Middle Tennessee, said the national bust points to the re-emergence of heroin as a popular drug. The highly addictive substance is similar to morphine and can be snorted, smoked or injected, producing a sense of euphoria.

“The more things change, the more they tend to stay the same,” Vines said during the press conference. “A drug that many of us haven’t paid much attention to in several years now has stuck its ugly head back up again.”

The defendants have been charged with drug trafficking and money laundering. Vines said by this morning, the 27 indictments in Nashville will have led to as many arrests. Federal narcotics charges come with punishments ranging from 10 years to life imprisonment. The maximum penalty for money laundering is 20 years.

While the formal investigation has concluded, the blitz on heroin will continue, Vines said.

Local DEA agents claim heroin use is on the rise among high schoolers and warn parents to be especially aware of the deadly drug. In Middle Tennessee, more than 20 pounds of heroin has already been confiscated, which is nearly half of the total weight retrieved from the national bust.

According to law enforcement officials, the ring would target its sales at drug addicts who were leaving treatment facilities.

“They would go to the new city, go to the methadone clinics, and provide heroin to those individuals cheaply and/or free, just to get them back on the product,” Sommers said.

The indictments state that large packages of heroin were repackaged in Nashville and stored in warehouses for distribution. After users would call in an order, the runners would deliver color-coded rubber balloons that they carried in their mouths so as to swallow if necessary to avoid police detection.

The balloons varied in weight from as small as a one gram, which sold for roughly $150, to 30 grams, selling for nearly $4,000.

HOW ABOUT SOME HEROIN TO GO WITH THAT SLICE.

Answer 7

Well I can answer for #4. THEY CAN PAY TAXES WITH A LEGITIMATE NUMBER! NOT A STOLEN ONE! Sorry to yell. Its called an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number.

Answer 8

I agree with you 100% . Some people are trying to play the peace and love routine of the 60-70's but they really don't know what they are talking about. I think it is a combination of ignorance and misguidance and trying to be political correct, which is usually anything but correct.

Answer 9

Nice summary. The only thing that you missed was their misguided belief that they have historical rights to the land and they do not recognize the land as belonging to the United States.

Answer 10

When will you stop saying ALL say those things? I haven't said any of those things. So stop generalizing . As far as the racist part no not all anti are racist just the ones who continue to use derogatory comments.