Who won the war?

Question

If Israel went to war to get its two kiddnaped soldiers and agreed to a cease fire without getting those soldiers? does that mean it won or lost the war?!

Answer 1

WELL
HERE ARE SOME FACTS:
TWO NOTES:
1-Hezbulla started this crisis when they snatched two Israeli soldiers. BUT WHY? Well, so as to recover Lebanese civilians in the Israeli jails. Some of these prisoners have been in the Israeli jails for more than 28 years.

2-In this crisis, Hezbulla never fired rockets at the northern Israeli cities UNTIL Israeli jets bombarded Beirut and tens of towns everywhere in Lebanon. Hezbulla warned the Israelis that if they didn't stop targeting civilians, Hezbulla would retaliate (Eye for an eye). The Israelis ignored that, and after about 100 civilians were killed in the capital (Beirut) and other towns, Hezbulla retaliated firing rockets. Every day Hezbulla declared that: If Israel stops targeting civilians, we will stop firing rockets, and restrict fighting to confrontation in the real battlefield. Israel ignored every warning.

I PERSONALLY think that the Israelis themselves wanted Hezbulla to keep firing rockets so as to tell the world that Hezbulla is targeting civilians.

OTHER FACTS TO KNOW:
1- Hezbulla fighters fought bravely in the real battlefield on the borders.

2- When the Israeli soldiers who were hiding in their armored tanks tried to get in, they were faced with a precise shooting of "shoulder rockets" by Hezbulla fighters.

3- When a tank was destroyed, the other Israeli soldiers tried to recover the casualties. At that time, Hezbulla used the light weapons shooting them.

4- Every incident of that type caused at least 4 to 5 dead Israeli soldiers. That's why we normally had at least 4 to 5 dead soldiers in one shot.

5- Hezbulla fighters happened to be waiting in trenches, bunkers, among trees ...on the front line.

6- They ambushed every single incursion of the Israelis, and directly hit.

7- As a matter of fact, they were not hiding in the bunkers, but taking well-prepared positions to DEFEND their soil and territory.

8- Most of the Israeli soldiers forwarded to the land battlefield were reservists, who were called while they were spending time drinking alcohol and dancing. So, we had Israeli drunkards fighting against believers of a lofty goal.

9- The Israeli soldiers thought that they were going on a picnic or trophy and that they would hunt Hezbulla one by one.

10- Those soldiers didn't know that a Hezbulla fighter was fighting to defend his land and family.

11- Knowing every inch of their land, Hezbulla fighters were applying the Vietnam style.

12- When the Israeli convoy captured a hill, they thought that it had become theirs. But the Hezbulla fighters waited till night, then launch assault.

13- I would think that most of the soldiers were killed while fleeing back across the borders.

14- It seemed that there were no Hezbulla fighters in the northern parts of Lebanon where the Israelis targeted civilians. So, what happened was that: Hezbulla fighters face-to-face fought on the borders, while the Israeli jets bombarded the civilians in the north.

16- This last fact is to wrongly vindicate Israel killing civilians.

17- The Israelis thought that Hezbulla fighters would surrender so as to save the civilians in the northern cities. But All Lebanese (Muslims & Christians) united and supported Hezbulla because they knew that the Israelis were killing them intentionally.

18- A VERY SIMPLE finding is that: Hezbulla were fighting to defend, while the Israelis were just killing civilians.

19- The Israelis proved to be cowards. HOW? well, I bet that if you stood behind an Israeli soldier and all of a sudden shouted: "HEZBULLA" ... I bet he would die of a heart attack.

20- Another fact is: Hezbulla were fighting for themselves, the Israelis fought for their leaders.

21- Mainly, Hezbulla were not firing rockets at Israeli northern cities to kill. Coz they know that almost every Israeli was hiding in the shelters. RATHER, Hezbulla was aiming at causing fear and shock, causing damage in retaliation of the damage inflicted among Lebanese civilians, and to trigger opposition in Israel to stop war.

22- The Israeli army (especially the jet fighter pilots) tried their best to kill as many civilians as possible, so as to presumably show that they were winning. They thought that the Israeli people would say: "Well done! We are winning. See the casualties on the other side."

23- Hezbulla were located in the south (approximately 20X20 miles area). Nevertheless, almost 99% of Lebanese civilians were killed in the northern cities (200 miles away from the borders).
That's why they name the killing "MASSACRES".

24- The spearhead of Israeli army (Golani Brigade) is considered the elite. Well ; are they really?

25- I personally strongly believe that the winner was Hezbulla. WHY? Well, all Hezbulla's goals were achieved, and all Israel's were not.

HOW:

Israel's goals:
1- Recover the two soldiers (not achieved).
2- Disarm Hezbulla (not achieved).
3- Prevent Hezbulla from firing rockets (not achieved).

Hezbulla's goal:
No soldiers to return to Israel without swap of prisoners (via indirect negotiations)… (so far VALID.)

MOREOVER: Israel finally accepted negotiations for swap of prisoners. (seems to me that they wanted to save two by killing 115 of their fellows)

SO:
The last figures according to the Israeli well-known "Haaretz" newspaper are as follows:
http://www.haaretz.com/
22:48Israeli death toll in war with Lebanon reaches 147 (Haaretz)

LEBANON:
1200 civilians (600 children/ 120 mothers/ old men ... etc.)
56 Hezbulla fighters (killed in the real battlefield.)

ISRAEL:
32 civilians (mostly Arabs.)
115 soldiers (mainly killed while fleeing or gathering to recover bodies and tanks.)


HERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT CONSEQUENCES:
1-Arab people now believe that the normal armies in their countries are complacent and work only as a bodyguard for the rulers. Therefore, I think we will witness births of many resistance groups in the Middle East to protect their peoples.

2-A full generation in Lebanon and Arab countries will be raised up on avenging what has happened to their CIVILIAN brothers in Lebanon.

3-Israel has endangered its existence in the region because it has uncovered all its savagery and intentional killing, massacres, destruction and brutality.

4-America can not stand too long supporting Israel, because it has now to fight the people not the regimes. Perhaps you know what it means to fight a people or a people to fight. NO CONSPIRACY, NO COMPLACENCY!

5-Every emerging resistance group will probably be receiving DIRECT support from almost every single person in the region.

6-The Bush's "Greater/Broader Middle East" notion has failed, and so has the Condi's "New Middle East".

A last – but not least – finding is that: No surviving child in Lebanon would forget his 5-member family killed by the American-made warplanes, American-donated smart bomb, piloted and dropped by an Israeli jet-pilot.

SEE YOU NEXT EPISODE.

Answer 2

Tacticaly, no body. It's a stand still, a stale mate. Strategicaly, I believe Hezbollah won. In 1967 Israeli grabed Sinai, Golan and West Bank; In 1973 they crossed the Suez and reached the gate of Damascus; In 1982 they besieged the PLO HQ in Beirut. Now, they even not reach the Litani river, 20 miles from the border, after one month!. Olmert can say anything he like, but the fact is Israeli failed to achieve their objectives: the freedom of two captured soldiers and the destruction of Hezbollah as military machine.

Answer 3

I don't think that the intent was to get their soldiers back. It was to punish Hezbollah for the kidnapping in the first place. Getting the soldiers back, really isn't feasible in today's warfare. So ultimately Israel accomplished two things: 1. Assessment of Syria and Iran's support of Hezbollah in Lebanon and 2. Severely damaging Hezbollah's infrastructure in Lebanon.

Answer 4

Israel

Answer 5

Supposedly Hezbollah won the war but i think Israel did more damage to Hezbollah...

Answer 6

Israel severely weakened Hezbollah but should have been allowed to finish the job.

Answer 7

If this were a football game, here's how it would have looked:

Q1:

Hezbullocks 14,
Israel 3

Q2:

Hezbullocks: 17
Israel: 45

Q3:

Hezbullocks: 19
Israel: 73

Q4:

Hezullocks 38 (two tds and 2pt conversions in garbage time)
Israel: 80

Answer 8

War's over man, Wormer dropped the big one.

Answer 9

I don't care
the war will never end
This is just a pause

Answer 10

Nobody wins in a war. chickenhawk