Do you think that the United States could be the Harlot Babylon?

Question

Seriously I mean no disrepect and I am a Catholic American. Many members of my family have fought for and yes died for our country. There is no other country in which I would rather live but I do wonder. We have strayed so far from our ideals, from our founding fathers plans, and from all that is moral and good. We do fit many of the descriptions given. I once heard a Homily a sermon if you prefer that term where a priest stated that America had gotten so bad that he felt God might need to apologize to Sodom and Gommorah on Judgement day if He let us continue in our wickedness. How do you feel about this?

Answer 1

The United States is the New Revived Roman Empire

Make your own list of comparisons with the history of the old Roman Empire and our United States. They match up item after item to a degree that is almost frightening.

Note: In a manner of speaking...the Old Roman Empire also "supported" Israel.

Answer 2

Judging by the criteria of biblical fundamentalism (literal words literally understood) it is certain that there is no mention of the Catholic Church in the book of Revelation as the Whore of Babylon. By contortions of interpretation (not biblical literalism) some groups and individuals equate the Whore in Revelation 17:9 with the Catholic Church since Rome is the famous city of seven hills and the Church's principal See is Rome. This position is untenable, both factually and from the only words of Scripture, which tell us of the actual doctrine of the Antichrist, those of the apostle John in his letters.
There would seem to be two choices, either interpret Rev 17:9 absolutely literally or according to some interpretive key that is metaphorical, allegorical or otherwise non-literal. Lets look first at literal interpretation.

"The seven heads represent seven hills on which the woman sits." First of all, no Pope has ever lived or had his "seat" (cathedra or cathedral) on any of the seven hills of Rome.

These hills are small hillocks (Capitoline, Palatine, Esquiline, Aventine and three lesser "bumps" in central Rome) where the religion and government of pagan Rome was situated ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TIBER RIVER.

Anyone with two functioning neurons can look at any geography map to see that its true. And if you are hyper-paranoid can claim all the maps in the world have been altered by the Jesuits.

The Catholic Church's headquarters at the Lateran (the cathedral) and at the Vatican (where the Pope lives) does not coincide with those Seven Hills.

At the time that John wrote Revelation the Christians of Rome lived mostly in Trastevere (trans Tiber), a district "across the Tiber" from the City and adjacent to the Vatican hill where St. Peter was crucified and buried.

The Vatican is on top of that burial site and is today its own city-state distinct from Rome and Italy. So what.

So, of what was St. John speaking when he wrote Revelation on the island of Patmos around 96 AD?

Obviously of the pagan imperial system situated on the Seven Hills. Especially the Capitoline (the religious and political center) and the Palatine (the imperial palace).

This pagan power persecuted the Church of Rome in Nero's day (64-67 AD), and in the mid-90s under Domitian was persecuting Christians throughout the Roman world.

Domitian was considered by the people a re-incarnation of the evil, but well-liked, Nero (the head that lives again).

While the antichrist Nero persecuted only the Christians of Rome, Domitian extended that persecution through the empire. Both are thus types of the final persecutor.

Why the cryptic name Babylon? First, the historical Babylon was the pagan power which persecuted the People of God, the Jews, between 610 and 538 BC, destroying the Temple and dispersing the people.

The Romans inherited that mantle of infamy when they destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, and more importantly persecuted the new People of God, the Church. Thus, St. Peter, writing from Rome refers to as "Babylon" (1 Pt. 5:13) - a name any Jew or Christian familiar with the Old Testament would know.

How does this relate to the Antichrist? The future Antichrist will be a world-wide power, essentially pagan, which will persecute the Catholic Church (and orthodox Christians in general) everywhere, as the Babylonians persecuted the Jews and 1st century Rome the Church.

These are biblical types! The Babylon of John's day, Rome, stands for the kingdom of the future Antichrist and is no more likely to be situated in Italy than Rome needed to be situated in Babylonia (modern Iraq).

John was informing his readers of these prophetic types by drawing their attention to the contemporary fulfillment they found in pagan Rome. The Antichrist will come out of the Christian world (Greco-Roman civilization) to be sure (1 John 2:19), but America is as much an inheritor of that civilization as Europe and just as likely to be the source of the Antichrist.

Finally, after distorting the text and history to read what they want into the Bible, and thereby obtaining God's "blessing" on their hatred of the Catholic Church, some "Christians" ignore the only texts of Scripture which tells us about the religious leanings of the Antichrist.

The Catholic faith being a religion you would think they would see what it teaches on the only criteria the Bible actually gives about the Antichrist.

In St. John's letters (1 John 4, 2 John 1), he tells us that the spirit of the Antichrist denies the Incarnation (the Son of God becoming man) and thereby also the Trinity (the Father and the Spirit, too).

THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST.

There is not a single text in 2000 years, including the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, or her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity.

Instead, all of Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them and whose saints and popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom.

John Paul II has written three great encyclical (circular) letters on the Trinity, one for each Divine Person, and he has without a doubt preached Jesus Christ to more people than any other person in human history. The Catholic Church does not have the spirit of the Antichrist but of God, since no one without the Spirit can say "Jesus is Lord" (1 Cor. 12:3), something the Church and Catholics always have done and continue to do!

Answer 3

If you believe that we are at the end of this age, then the only logical conclusion is that Babylon is America because Babylon will be the most powerful nation at that time whenever it arrives. If you can open your eyes, it also says that she was drunk from the blood of the prophets and saints. When was the last time righteous christians were murdered in America? The last time was the civil rights movement and one of the prophets was Martin Luther King Jr. If you truly believe as you claim then, your revelation will be a blessing. But I think this question is out of Character for you. No offense

Answer 4

Back in 1994 I was studying revelations about the great whore who sits upon many waters. I went to sleep and about 3 o' clock in the morning the Lord told me to turn on the T.V.. When I turn on the T.V. I saw a man talking about his vision that God had showed him. He saw California had fell into the ocean all the way up to Nevada. The whole western seaboad was destroyed. He said that where Missouri and Arkansas was there was a split down the middle. Then the man's wife told of her part of the vision she saw. She saw New York, North Carolina, West Virginia, and Virgina and on down the coast were under water. But the way they describe their vision, the United States was split into 3 parts. At the time of of hearing these revelations I was studying about how Babylon the great city would be split into 3 parts.

Answer 5

I have asked myself this question once or twice as well, but the more I think about it I have to believe otherwise. I do think though that we have as whole gotten more and more self-absorbed and that includes myself, but I blame society as a whole, just look at what we read, hear and see all around us everyday, it becomes a battle just to want to get up in the morning. It seems everywhere you go people are saying there nothings we can do about it, that's just the way it is, why care, who cares? and on and on, heck, I tend to agree. Its like that song goes, where is all the love, people got me questioning where is the love, but...it could always be worse, lol. My answer is I don't really know, but I gotta hope not.

Answer 6

I do tend to think that the good ole USA is prime for the Mystery Babylon position. She is fat and lacks for nothing.
This country is going to have a wake up call real soon. Mother and Fathers are going to worry about their sons and daughters getting scripted into the military service and fighting for our allies.
There is a possibility that we will loose this battle and be overrun by the armies of the north.
People are going to start reading their scriptures and find no knowledge imparted to them. Its too late.
The time is writ to begin studying the Word and your faith will grow. God can use you now.><>

Answer 7

Oh, good lord. Was Babylon really a "harlot"? Or was that just another excuse to plunder her riches, for the umpteenth time in ancient history? The plans of the founding fathers are pretty well laid out in the Constitution, and if the people in power would just stop trying to undermine it, we'd be fine. If people in power would stop trying to shove their definitions of "good" and "moral" into every law they write, we'd be fine. This country was created with the idea firmly in mind that each person should be free to decide what "good" and "moral" mean to them, and each person should be free from what others believe is "good" and "moral." How do I feel about this? It enrages me whenever fear and small-mindedness get the Constitution by the throat.

The people who believe that the "End Times" are near are just scaring themselves to death. And it seems like they're taking good old-fashioned common sense and compassion with them.

Answer 8

It could be. We have gotten so far away from God our nation may not have God's hedge of protection around us anymore. But I am reminded of the passage in the bible where God tells the man "I have many people in this place," and so it is with us, we (Christians) are sometimes silent but we will shine forth as the noon day sun .

Answer 9

No, I prayerfully think not...BUT- she is following the Great Whore's ways - and if America does NOT change course quick she and her people will share the Whore's Fate!

And - just for the record - God will NOT apologize for Sodom's and Gomorrah's doom. He is very, Very, VERY patient; but stupidity, foolishness, and arrogance can only be tolerated just so long, and after that...

Answer 10

very possibly debra ... the whole world is corrupted by our loose morals and fornication ... it does fit ...and with the looming spector of Chinas nuclear threat, the merchants of the world watching her burning from afar off and weeping because thats how they got rich fits to. Alot of people do not realize just how much of a threat china poses to the US ... although its not been taken too seriously yet, chinas second in command general threatened to nuke the US if we became involved in their planned reassimilation of taiwan....