Lets mess with the Christians part 1?

Question

Assuming is All Powerful, All Knowing, Created Us All, Gave Us Freewill, and Loves Us.

If god is all knowing that means he knows everything. Not kind of knows or can predict it. He knows it...100%. It is written in stone. God knows what color shirt I'm going to wear tomorrow. There is no way I can wear any shirt other then the one god knows i will wear tomorrow. I cannot decide to wear any other shirt. If I can't make a choice that will change what happens tomorrow, then I'm ruled by fate. If I am ruled by fate, I don't have freewill.

Therefore, if god is all knowing I cannot have freewill. How is it possible for god to have given us freewill if he is all knowing?

if you answer this pay attention there will be more questions to follow.

Answer 1

Knowing something is not the same as being the one to decide. I know that my neighbor's house is green. Even if I knew for certain before the house was built that it would be green, that doesn't mean that I decided it. God knows us and knows our nature. He knows what we will decide better than we do. That doesn't mean we don't get a choice, it just means that He knows what it will be. If I offer a child a choice between liver and ice cream, my "knowing" that the child will pick ice cream doesn't mean that I forced the child to pick the ice cream. God's knowledge being 100% accurate as opposed to human imperfection does not mean that He forces us to go along with His plan. It looks like God's choice if you announce the final decision from the start. If you phrase it that God knows that tomorrow you will pick the red shirt and then reconsider and pick the blue and then decide that it doesn't go with the jacket and then you will consider the green one but realize it's in the laundry and then go back to the red shirt, that sounds less like God fating you to wear red and more like He just knows what you have in the closet and what you like wearing.

Answer 2

What happened to free will?

You said it, I didn't!

And yeah, it is possible your GENOMES dictate what shirt you will put on! It certainly dictates when your hair will turn gray, down to the month, possibly the day.

It's in the Genome

The Genome shows when in time you will become succepitble to cancer. That is already being looked at by science!

The Genome decides if you are a dullard or a smarty. Free will can't make you an A student, only cheating (in the Genomes) or the right genes make your "smart."

It's in the Genome.

Some people are SAVANTS. They can look at a page of numbers for 1 second and total it in their heads.

Any idea how long it would take a PH D with a computer or calculator to do the same thing!

How is it that the GENOMEs can make brain connection to provide math answers in 1 or 2 seconds in some people and others always get it wrong!

And then, there's the Guardian angels and maybe they no in advance yu are going to bump into the prettiest girl in school that day and make you pick the right top to wear instead of you deciding to go slobby.

One never knows, do they.

If they unravel the Genomes then your entire history, including the date within a month of your death can be detailed.

Do you really want to know in what month and what year the genomes say your body will fall apart so badly you won't survive into the next month.

Do you really want to know that.

Science will give you that answer in a few years!

Answer 3

O.K. I think you are a little confused about God. Yes the bible says that god knows everything you will do in your life even before you were conceived in the womb but that is not fate...God knows what you will do with the freewill he gave you because he created you and knows your life from beginning to end but he did not make a single choice for you you make them all with your freewill! because he is an all knowing God he just knows every choice you will make but he has not made any of them for you, knowing and doing are two different things.

Answer 4

You are making an assumption.
You're assuming that knowing means planning.
You're interlacing the Omnipotent thing.

If I were a psychic - not omnipotent but omniscient - and I wrote down everything you did tomorrow, that would, in no way preclude you from making the decisions that led to those events.

It is easy to confuse it when speaking about God. Of course he could have planned it (being omnipotent) AND knew it so you might say having known it in advance, and having the ability to change it he therefore approved of it. You would not be wrong, but that is not what you proposed.

I like Kuji's ice cream example.

Answer 5

A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.

We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.

Answer 6

For starters God is capitalized
Yes you have free will, if you didn't you would not have been able to post this message. God is patient even with those who don't believe. I'm tired of people thinking that God is a joke and if I were God I would have given up on people like you a long time ago. God is omniscient but that does not affect your free will. He just knows beforehand if you're going to do something positive or negative. You Atheists/ Agnostics always want the Big Guy's attention even if you won't admit He exists and He loves you.

Answer 7

Do you not choose the color of shirt you'll wear tomorrow? Is it now you who looks in the closet, considers the options, and picks one out? Yet, God already knew you were going to choose that one. He did not violate you freewill whatsoever in being all-knowing.

(And as a side note for an above comment) Just because God KNOWS what's going to happen doesn't mean that he isn't affected by it. Just as a parent knows that a child is eventually going to move out of the house doesn't mean that they aren't going to cry their eyes out when they finally do.

Answer 8

This is how: Because God perceives all that was, all that is, and all that will be. His way of perception is way different from ours, and we cannot understand it.

So, you do make a choice today, and God does already know it. It isn't because God is controlling your shirt-color choice; it is because God is outside of time and has seen this happen before you have seen it happen.

You were not fated to pick the shirt you did. You had a choice. It wasn't written in stone. But to God, it has already happened.

Impossible to explain because neither I nor you has the mind of God.

Answer 9

I debated this question myself. I have come to the conclusion that we all have free will. But when we submit our will to God's will, we step into "predestination." Because we have given Him permission to be in the driver's seat. When we try to drive ourselves, we can get pretty messed up.

"Do not conform any longer to the pattern (ways) of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is- His good, pleasing, and perfect will." -Romans 12:2

I think God has a good idea what choices we will make, and can send people into our paths for various reasons, but if we are outside His will, He may not know exactly what you're going to do, but He can steer somethings in your life to bring you around to His will, if you submit to His.

Edit: Interesting to think that maybe God has already seen this world to it's end and we are just suspended in time, experiencing it....I'll have to think about that idea!

Answer 10

No, God is literally timeless -- that is, from God's perspective, there is no past and no future -- all things happen at once from his perspective.

So when God "predicts" the future, he is simply interjecting information about what he sees happening in the future (that is, the future to us, not to him) into what we would consider to be the past.