\Isn't using the idea of faith cheating to try and win a debate?

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Isn't using the idea of faith cheating to try and win a debate.


Try changing this for a court case when someone faces the death penalty, by stoning or disembwoling... and say its your daughter on trial...

Now would accept the prosecution using faith based decisions ie a priest saying god spoke to him and declared her guilty... Or woul you demand proof?

Athiest dont believe they seek proof and my go with the solution that has the most evidence but chage when more evidence comes in...

faith is say so...


thuis cheating surely if the other side is operationg on proof and evidence,

The wind as said below can be measured...

How do you measure god energy?

You cant as its not there

Derik...

Minsiters lie all the time often with kiddie fidling...

Likewise you can't trust faith in god any more then faith in fairies who say you must murder every gir who wheres green as god does not like that...

As opposed to logically assessing wheter green causes harm

People did indeed have court trils run by faith...

IE THE WITCH BURNING ONES WHERE THOUSANDS WERE EXECUTED IN AGONY BY THOSE WHO FOLLOWED FAITH NOT PROOF..

INQUISTION THINKING IS WHAT FAITH IS ALL ABOUT

ALSO DERIK YOUR NOTICION THAT THE BIBLE MUST BE TUE AS THEY FLOW A BIT>.> ER NO... So do the star wars books and harry potter,...

Does that mean they are gods work?


As for anyone saying Im talking tripe...


PROVE IT...

Logically

No faith allowed... state clearly the reasoning why

Answer 1

...Look, I will say this as lovingly as I can.

Our Faith is based on that...FAITH. I won't tell you what to believe. Our Bible (could be yours too) has other historical document to back it up (stories and all)...and not written by Christians.

No one and I do mean no one has been able to discredit the Bible. Yes, there's a reason...IT'S TRUE!

Now...let's talk about evolution for just a moment; talk about blind faith to believe in something. There isn't any proof that evolution is true or ever happened. Besides the fact that Charles Darwin was a Christian and renounced his own theory. That's right, a theory...no supporting facts, no historical documents...

People believe what they want to believe. We as Christians are commanded to love them (everyone) as Jesus loves us. We are based on Faith with a man that did walk this earth...died on a cross and more than 500+ people saw Him w/ their own eyes rise into the heavens. Now...with 500+ witnesses...I'm thinking it really happened. What about you?

May you find the Grace of the Living God, His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. May your search be short and your life long.

God Bless (Even if you don't believe, doesn't change the fact that He loves you and seeks a relationship with you.) You are still precious in His sight.

Answer 2

Well I suppose it depends on what the debate is. I'm guessing that you are debating the presence of the higher power worshipped by most religions? I'm guessing that your problem is that the faithful use their faith as proof that what they believe is true? I will say that most of the truths or proofs or facts that we take for granted in our lives are actually based on faith that their sourses are true. It's circular.

We trust that we are being given absolute facts, when, in fact, most truths are only true when based on a certain point of view. For example, how do you prove that when a person tells you they love you, that they actually do? You can't read their mind so you take it on faith that they are telling the truth. In a court case the jury and judge have to put their faith in either the defence or the prosecution. One is lying, after all. Evidence only illustrates part of the story.

With religion, people make up their own minds what they choose to believe, and what they don't, and they trust the bible, koran, etc to tell them the truth. That is their evidence. So from their point of view their faith is absolute, and so they are justified to argue their point. At the end of the day, your opinion is based on your faith in science, and their opinion is based on their faith in religion. What's so wrong about that?

Answer 3

Have you ever watched the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster? It is a great movie which deals with this exact question. Even atheists have to deal with some sort of faith system. They have faith that science will prove the truth, but it doesn't always. Just look at all the people who have been wrongfully convicted based on forensic science that failed. There are people who take faith the wrong way, and use it in ways it was never meant to be used.

Answer 4

Yes, it is.

Little story: I tell my mom my baby has diaper rash. She says: "Put vaseline on her bottom every night and she will never have diaper rash. I put vaseline on every one of my babies' bottoms every night when they were in diapers." I say, "So none of us ever had a diper rash?" She says, "Oh yeah y'all did."

I consider this to be the same argument as faith: It's right because I know it is. Well, because I know it is. Umm, no, I don't have anything to back it up, and I understand you have much evidence to the contrary. But...umm...well, I'm still right.

Faith is an answer- only for the person who has it. Not for the person they are trying to convince.

However, it is my opinion that the debate should be left alone- people who believe in God need that belief, and I would no more take it from them than deprive them of food shelter and clothing. If it makes them feel safe and secure, what the heck. Let 'em have it, it doesn't affect you or I any.

Answer 5

You seem to be confusing a debate and a legal proceeding.

Debates are won by persuasion as much as evidence. That's why they call it "debate" and not "fact matching."

Court proceedings also have persuasive elements but should be primarily evidence-based. The burden of proof is present, and is the responsibility of one side or the other. Jurors should weigh which evidence was more real, or believable, or pertinent more than just the persuasiveness of the attorneys.

Hope this helps!

Answer 6

In NO WAY is using FAITH comparable to a court case and in now way IS IT CHEATING.

Christianity is based ON ONE THING. FAITH! So, OUR OWN RELIGIOUS BELIEF'S ARE BASED ON FAITH, SO IT ISN'T CHEATING IF WE OURSELVES ARE REQUIRED TO BELIEVE IT. And besides, it's not a BURDEN to believe it, its quite simple in believing in God and Christ and having Faith in them.

You simply have "faulty logic" when you change it to a court case because its in now way based on anything similar. Besides, when you read the Holy Bible and find out how all the Books "work together" and are not "disjointed" but one actual book, you have even more reason to believe.

Another thing, "say we did do a court system based on Faith. You have a "minister" that has NEVER been known to lie. EVER. Why wouldn't you take his word now? He's never lied?"

Sorry your life is so unhappy you have to try to drag others down to your level.

Good luck with that.

Answer 7

I don't believe in faith healing or else Satan is doing it.
There was this lady she was real nice and went to the church that does faith healing. He had a retarded daughter with multiple birth defects. Her daughter was real nice to.
They prayed for the lady and her warts went away. I thought, if God was going to heal something why not her daughters illnesses. She said , "He can't do real hard stuff."
This is the same God that made the universe and man in the first place? Jesus materialized in human bodies all the time.
Couldn't make one for her? I just don't believe he does that right now.

Answer 8

Hello,

It is on your free will to believe or not.
Faith is certainly blind, and we believers believe it is so, because God wanted us to believe in Him without seeing him. Paradoxical huh?
Maybe too much for a mind that will accept only earthly facts, I am sure, but that takes nothing off faith for us who choose to believe in the invisible.
And, last but not least, science will never have the answers to it all, you know it, I know it, so it does not take a genious to realise there must be something else out there.

Answer 9

I believe that unless you have a faith, than you cannot truly understand it. Having a faith, say Christianity for example is not really thinking that God exists, but knowing without doubt that he really does. Its like the wind, you can't see it, but you CAN feel it.

Answer 10

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