Christians, what type of stones should I use when stoning my unruly child in accordance with the bible ?

Question

"And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die"


I wonder which christian will be fist to excuse tis by using one of the following excuses :

1) saying that it has to be taken in context

2) saying that it has to taken in the context of the time it was written

3) saying "oh, but that's the old testament that doesn't count anymore ......... except of course when it can back up our arguments"

4) being able to randomly choose which bits are to be taken literally and which bits are to be taken as a metephor.... as the need arises.

5)You need faith

NOTE !!!! I AM NOT ADVOCATING THE STONING OF CHILDREN BUT MERELY CHECKING HOW CHRISTIANS WILL TRY TO DEFEND THE NASTY PARTS OF THAT FAIRYTALE BOOK THEY HOLD SO DEARLY

PS. Iwonder how long it will take for some fundie to gwet this question removed ?

Answer 1

Very full of yourself, aren't you? Too bad your parents didn't raise YOU better. . .

Answer 2

I'm a Christian, and I get frusterated when Christians give the answers that you labeled 1-5, too. The idea was to keep the holy people of God holy- don't get involved with the pagans around you, don't marry them, destroy the people I tell you to destroy because I am the I Am, and I know what is best for everyone. So, if you have a rotten apple in the barrel, you throw it out as soon as possible so that it doesn't speed up the rotting of the rest of the apples.

If I were you, I would be thankful that people no longer choose to practice this, otherwise your parents, or their parents, or theirs, etc should have destroyed the rotten apple in your family history that made you so bitter. Are you like this to all religious books that you feel are fairytales?? Or just the ones that have the most historical evidence and documentation? Or the ones written by many people over a long time that all say the same thing? Or ones where all of the prohesies have been shown to come true so far? It might be smarter to go and pick on other religious books that don't have so much sound physical documentation.

It doesn't have to be a life of emptyness for you, God will take you at any time should you choose to soften your heart....I've already been praying for you.

Answer 3

Someone answered, "That is from the Old Testament, we are living under the new covenant . When Jesus died for us He abolished all the old ways or in another way..." For the sake of argument, even assuming this were true, such glossing over the facts with a "that was then, this is now" rhetoric doesn't change the fact that the same 'God' Yahweh commanded parents to stone their children, and ordered the slaughter of innocent babies and women and children, as well as the kidnaping and rape of virgins, and numerous other atrocities.

Whether or not these barbaric cruelties are in the OT or the NT scarcely matters when you are talking about the same identical deity.

Answer 4

Do people and do beliefs mature with knowledge? The "Christian" new testament is unlike the old testament, it is a step forward.

In medicine, they used to use leeches and had many other wrong practices. Should I open up an old text and berate the medical profession of today. I understand they know more now than before. Yet that is what you are doing. Use are using the past against a group of people.

By the way, other groups used to sacrifice their kids.

Answer 5

Your list of five is partly correct. The law you mentioned was part of the 'old testament' (law of Moses) which was done away (Hebrews) when Christ died on the cross.
The part that is not consistent is the two or more witnesses' principle, given to the Jews and Christians. If applied, one would realize that the 'old testament' (combined with 2 Tim. 3:16-17) is the law of Moses, not Genesis-Malachi. Moses was not born until Exodus 2.

Answer 6

*yawn* I answered this very same question well over a decade ago, and many times since. But at least you're saving me some time by eliminating the other 153 questions that went along with it, and not forcing me to answer in 20 words or less, per question.

1.) Not all things in the Bible applied to all people throughout all ages. I mean, just because Noah built an ark, doesn't mean I need to too. Just because those who were snakebit had to look upon the brazen serpent doesn't mean I need to too. Just because the Jews were bound to the law, doesn't mean the Gentiles were as well. Just because Jesus chided Peter for cutting off the slave's ear, doesn't mean John was deserving of receiving the same talking-to. So, yes, context does indeed matter (can you say "context doesn't matter" to an essay written to Americans chiding the massive obesity problem that afflicts this country in the 2000's, and say it applies to 1980's Ethopia as well?).

2.) The stoning of the unruly child was part of the Mosaic law. The Mosaic Law was intended for those of the Jewish faith and bloodline alone. Gentiles who converted were only expected to fulfill *some* of those laws, because some applied only to those of the Jewish bloodline. When Christ came, He fulfilled the law completely, meaning we were no longer bound to follow it to the letter. Instead, He gave us two simple commandments: Love God with all your heart, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. With these two, all of the rest of the commandments and laws would be satisfied. If you treated your neighbor as you treated yourself, you would not steal, because you don't want to be stolen from. You would not be cruel, because you wouldn't want someone being cruel to you. You would not be unruly to your parents, because one day, you too would be a parent, and wouldn't want your child to be unruly to you too.

3.) We now use the Mosaic Law as 'good advice' as opposed to 'law', since our Law came from Christ (Love God/Love Neighbor). We are free to boil a kid in his mother's milk... but we don't, not because of law, but because "that's just cruel, that milk was meant to keep it alive, not make it a tasty dish". We are free to wear a 50%/50% polyester/cotton t-shirt, but really don't have a right to complain when it tears apart in the wash or is warped and lost its shape. We are free to punish our kids, but... keep in mind, "Let the one without sin be the first to throw the stone".... so we keep the literal stones in the yard, and instead, punish him by taking away the PS2 for a week. Keeps him in check just as well as a thwap on the noggin with a rod..

Answer 7

There are a lot of things in the Bible that are mean and nasty. They are meant for our examples. Like this one, don't be rebellious, a glutton and a drunk. Men hit on men. Fiery pits consumed priests' kids. Water drowned the Egyptians. Tamar dressed up like a hooker and slept with her father-in-law. Job's daughters got him drunk and slept with him. I don't think it is a fairy tale.

Answer 8

The bible calls for harsh punishment. I like to throw that one out to.

But Christians will answer - WE FOLLOW THE NEW TESTAMENT NOT THE OLD- to which i say, does the New Testament make the old null and void?

Answer 9

I should think it depends on three things;

1: how strong you are because you do not want very large stones then

2: whether you want him to die fast, because then you want the largest and roughest stones you can handle.

3: whether you want him to suffer and have time to think over his errors, in which case you want smaller and smoother stones, about pea sized and sort of soft.

Answer 10

I prefer using methods that work, stones are hard on my wrists anyway. I torture by taking away all that brings her pleaure. I am the queen of torture in my pre-teens eyes.

I am not a christian though, otherwise I would just pray.

Answer 11

Big old heavy brick, a ciderblock ought to do it. I agree with one of the earlier answers, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." Let's see how many excuses, we can get to dispel that one.