Nationalized Health care?

Question

How come when I point out that there is no constitutional provision for this, and challenge Liberals to find one they can't. No where in the constitution does it say Congress shall provide insurance or healhcare or anything like that. If you can find it specificly mentioned in there please post the artical and section, or ammendment here. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

My friend Sammuabdib thinks so but then again he is a socialist.
http://360.yahoo.com/profile-1zNGipYieqs9kJMnmeQTgy99

A couple of things that need correcting There is a provision for building roads and highways. and spying is covered under the sections on defense. Article 1 section 8 clearly spells out EXACTLY what Congress is supposed to do.

SPLATT you are so the man dude!

Answer 1

There is an answer above that says it's not prohibited. So it's allowable.

Sorry. Amendment X says otherwise. It helps to know what your are doing when you answer.

Amendment X - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Answer 2

Fact: U.S. is the only industrialized country in the world w/o some sort of Nationalized Healthcare system

Fact: U.S. has the highest cost of health care in the entire world

Fact: We rank in the middle to near the bottom on EVERY indicator of national health, including longevity and infant mortality!

Fact: People w/o health insurance just goto the ER when they are sick and often times way after they should have gone to the Doctor. This causes a) much more expensive treatment and b) increases the liklihood that the patient is not going to pay the bill (which was already pretty high)

Fact: Hospitals will shift costs from those that can't pay to those who do pay (the insurance companies)....this is why a Tylanol costs $40/pill at your local hospital.

Fact: Nobody in America is getting better insurance coverage or paying less. EVERY single year Health Insurance rises dramatically, and benefits are cut. And this is a highly competive market!

It may not be a "Constitutional Right", but the evidence is clearly written on the wall, America NEEDS a national healthcare system of some kind, and she needs it STAT.

Other than Rush Limbaugh who is saying that they don't like their government healthcare? It's an out right lie. ON the contrary, they love it. In Germany for instance, they have the standard system that admits everyone, and for those that want more services, they buy extra insurance.

Of course you can get into the hospital, that's not the point, paying for it is the hard part.

I haven't been to a "public/free clinic" because they don't exist where I am. However, if as part of your taxes it included insurance, and the same people ran the hospitals/clinics that are doing it now, then what's the problem? The ER's would be less packed because sick folks just go to the doctor like they are supposed to instead of waiting till they are coughing up a lung. Then, when your kid has a broken arm or their bleeding won't stop, they can actually get into an ER.

Have you been to an ER lately? 2-4 hour waits are average. That's because sick folks with no insurance are there with their sick kids. It's the ONLY place they can get medical attention.

Answer 3

I've been in that one a couple of times.. here is the thing. I have never and I have never seen anyone insinuate that it is a constitutional provision.. That does not negate the necessity of something being done about the lack of quality health care in the US.. also we are the only Industrialized nation to not have the issue addressed.. so here is your take on this " I don't want to pay for anybody Else's health care " But I am willing to pay ad nauseam for Gas company profits.. Reckless and unaccounted for defense, etc,etc,etc.. what is the point ?
There was no provision for domestic spying but we got around that one easily enough....

HOLD ON.. before you go High Five splatt.. you said that article 1 section 8 makes a provision.. Really where ?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html
article 8 is a very broad substructure, and I suppose you could "interpret" anything you want from any source.. but where does it say "Eves dropping on uncharged, unwitting citizens " is OK?
It doesn't ..does it ? Again you lie ! Like the Rug beneath my feet. Or more likely you are repeating something without investigating it to see if it's true..Just because Bill (pervert) O'Reilly says it's so don't make it so.. go ahead lets hear it..flip flop on this one now...

Answer 4

It superficially sounds good But where is the money?

For America to have universal health care someone has to come up with a method of making it profitable to Bill Frisk and his compatriots. (HMO owners)

You could interpret the 14th amendments, "Guaranteed Privileges" along with the 9th amendment to be pro health care. And I imagine it could get traction in an election year.

The big problem will be creating wealth for Bill Frisk and other HMO owners. They are a powerful lobby and will not give up a 200 billion dollar industry for anything less than 200 billion.

There is a theory that as America becomes more and more Militarized that the VA can morph into a variant of Universal health care. This would cover the families of Veterans as a first step.

When your not sick or injured you don't think about it. That is a big part of the problem Americans don't look very far down the road of life.

Go big Red Go

Answer 5

There is nothing specifically in the Constitution about education, Social Security, highways, or lots of other things that the federal government does. But it has long been established by the courts that the federal government has the power to do those things, either from the commerce clause, or the general welfare clause, or the necessary and proper clause, or a number of other places. The framers of the Constitution wrote in general terms. They did not spell out every single type of legislation that Congress has the authority to enact.

Answer 6

That's the problem with the "living document" notion of the Constitution. Whoever wants to get something as a "right" can just wave off criticism like that by saying that it's covered under "general welfare"; which is a bunch of hooey anyway. Nationalized anything is generally a bad idea. Look how good it works for education. We had a better system before that idiot Carter created the Dept of Education. (They originally wanted to call it the Dept of Public Education (DOPE) which would have been more appropriate anyway. )

Answer 7

You're barking up the wrong tree, my friend. Instead of arguing for a lack of constitutional authority, simply challenge a liberal to go to a public clinic the next time they need health care. Once they experience the inefficiencies of a health care process managed and provided by a government institution, they'd never want to discuss the topic again.

Answer 8

It doesn't have to be required by the Constitution, you just have to find that it is not prohibited, then you could theoretically do it. Just out of curiosity, do you think the gvt. should do anything to fight infectious diseases, prevent epidemics, etc? Thats such a slippery slope into providing health care for people. Science says bird flu is on the way and with no immunity there's no limit on the number of people it could kill. Epidemics in Europe in the Dark Ages killed 70 % of the population in some areas, that could happen again, there's no reason why it can't. Just sit back and let private insurance take care of it.

Answer 9

Congress passes the laws. It has seen fit to give itself the finest medical care available at no cost to its members. It has passed medicare, medicaid and prescription drug legislation. Obviously the some in congress and the common people see some good for themselves and the national interest in having a healthy population.

Answer 10

National healthcare is need when you are charged 100.00 for a bandaid at the ER
don't you think?
drug companies are nothing more than glorified pushers doing it under the legal arm of the law and robbing seniors of their retirement that is well deserved.
I have no perfect answer but TAKE CARE OF THE POOR AND THE WIDOWS AND THE ORPHANED