How to get active in the Church of Scientology without having your name posted on a bigot's website?

Question

I've decided I want to get involved in the Church of Scientology. I've done a lot of research into it, have visited my local org and have read Scientology books. My only last question is how to not end up on this lady's website:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/wachterk1.html

She posts the names of individual Scientologists on her website "thereby exposing these individuals to discrimination, harassment and potential violence from other bigots." I don't want my name on her site because it would be bad for my career. I don't even know if I should post a link to her site, but I'm going to just so you can see that it really exists:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/

Answer 1

Dear GreeneyedPat,

I would advise you not to post a link, as this would be an obvious way she could trace you (if she does infact exist and is harrassing people). Why do you need to know?
While I understand the reason for your concern the best way to deal with this kind of psychosis is to give it absolutely no attention. The only way it can effect you is by pulling your attention towards it and thereby granting it beingness. It has no power of it's own. It's completely parasitic.
This applies to any "suppressive" intention no matter where it is coming from.
If as you state you wish to pursue study of Scientology then this subject of psychotic or suppressive intentions and how to deal with them correctly will be one of the things you will learn about.
Ask your local org about an Introductory Course on this subject.

Answer 2

I don't blame you for wanting and seeking this religion for yourself, but please consider some things I will say.

My husband came to America to be on a boat of Scientology, where they study and work and live on a boat while studying Scientology. He said he did learn a lot, but it was very difficult and unforgiving. He practically did slave labor, working almost all hours of the day doing projects of any kind, carpentry, you name it, and made about 70 dollars per month. He was not allowed to speak to his family without someone watching him or listening on the telephone, and if you would speak bad about your experience, they would cut of the call and punish you, no one really knows to the extend people would be punished, because they are not allowed to speak negatively about their experiences while there, because they are under constant surveillance. Cameras in every room, even the bathrooms. He studied for hours on end, being taught about life, God (if they even believe in God...they don't give him much importance, he comes last in the order of importance) reincarnation, hypnotization...not all bad things but many really over the top and they really really emphasize things to a certain point that you will eventually believe in everything they tell you due to all the "proof" they provide. Basically, my husband left the organization eventually when he decided that maybe they were a little over the top and didn't have his best interests in mind.

My husband's personality has been damaged, I would say by Scientology. He is very selfish, hard headed, unconcerned about others and of God, actually almost conviced that God doesn't exsist or if he does he doesn't really matter. His good friend that was above him in rank on the boat commited suicide while on the boat. My husband was very sad, and it opened his eyes a little more to pressures and control scientology has over people.

I didn't know anything about this religion before, but this is just a true account of one experience.

Answer 3

Other than seeking a court order for privacy under local law, or trying to extend "freedom of religion" to embrace secrecy and privacy (something doubtless the deep-pockets CoS has already tried and failed), it's hard to imagine what you can do.

You are in for a very expensive ride. Have you read the archives at the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology or the many, many testimonies of people who paid a lot of money only to decide they'd been scammed?

It was, after all, invented as a religion by L. Ron Hubbard, who'd speculated that, as a science fiction writer he was best suited to invent a religion.

Answer 4

wow - that is too bad. and scary.
however, in the big picture probably not too many people overall go to or even know about the site, so the chances of it hurting your career are slim.
also, if you really believe, over the course of history many people have been persecuted over their religion, so join the club.
i'm a Christian kabbalist in Los Angeles, work in entertainment, and have had many great times with noted scientologists while working on projects, and found them all to be engaging, informed and interested when the topic came to religion.

Answer 5

You might look into freescientology if you are more interested in the courses than the religon. They seem to be drawing less unwanted attention than the main church is.

I find her site interesting though because it talks about how most people only do one or two courses then quit which would seem to argue against most of the scarey cult 'information' floating around.

Answer 6

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com , she gets these names from the scientology publications, so you will just have to ensure your name doesn't appear in one of them...

I think some members have managed to get their names removed from this site, have a look on it, she will have posted as such. I find the site fair, and actually is not critical of scientology as a lot of sites, but focuses almost exclusively on the actions of the Church of Scientology. Have you read the articles where scientology tech is applied to the Church for example? http://www.freezone.org/reports/SMcDonald.htm

I am truly sorry to hear you didn't opt for a safer version in the free zone, other independant, or avoid it all together, I hope it goes well for you and you don't encounter the problems that so many others have. Keeping off staff seems to be one thing you can do to stay away from a lot of the negative aspects.

Please don't break off from any friends or family when the time comes, don't do anything you don't want to, remember what you read on the net, and heard from people. Remember it is true for them...

Religous Freedom Watch is a site of slander, with nothing to back it up. See this interview between the owner of the site and andreas... http://www.xenutv.com/andreas/index.html

You don't mind Joel posting all this horrible stuff that is unfounded, and stuff he won't provide any evidence for, but don't like Kristi posting simply what courses people have completed - and is available for any one to look in Scientology mag? I find that slightly puzzling and worrying...

Please read this quote:

"I'm genuinely fond of most of the Scientologists I've met, and - believe it or not - one of my biggest motivations for speaking out is because I don't want to see you get hurt. (You may believe you are in no danger from Scientology, and I sincerely hope that's true.) I want to make sure no one else suffers what Lisa McPherson suffered."

"There are people practicing Scientology outside the official structure (Scientology probably refers to them as "squirrels," even if they aren't deviating from the tech in any way). These people are often called FreeZone Scientologists. As far as I can tell, they are practicing Scientology without any of its illegal or clearly harmful elements. I have no quarrel with them. I don't want to stop Scientology - I only want to stop its illegal and harmful actions.
I believe most Scientologists would want that, too, if they could confront the evidence of Scientology's unethical acts."
Kristi Wachter
http://www.scientology-lies.com/scientologistindex.html

Practising in the Church could be bad for your career because of its actions, join the freezone and you won't have to worry about it... Besides the Church has deviated from original 'tech', so if it's Hubbard's great tech you want, do it in the freezone...

Oh and Theta's being paranoid again, as are you somewhat... Posting this link will not get you anything, certainly not harassment, that is entirely absurd! I don't think individual scientologists have ever been harassed or had violence against them from a critic in protest - but am willing to be proved wrong if you have any evidence. I can link to actual video footage of scientologists doing it to critics though. I admit my own paranoia when I started posting more critical stuff to this website, I changed all my Yahoo ID info in case the Church tried to track me this way. Additionally I won't post any personal info that may lead OSA or RTC to find out who I am - maybe I would turn up on RFW. So I guess we are both feeling this...

This site isn't world renowed, and I don't think your employee's would know it existed or have any reason to search it. Besides, you will be in your post for a long time before you completed something that would turn up in a mag, and then Kristi's site, therefore you would have long proved yourself to your employer.

All the best for the future...

Answer 7

A faith of one is a spirituality. A faith of many is a social club. Accepting risk into your life for your spiritual beliefs is one thing. But, accepting risk into your life for a membership in a social club is another thing. And, sir, a man has to take a stand sometime. So what, if bigots have your name in their little weirdo black books? Take it as a badge of honor. Ignore the ignorant. The feeble-minded attract only the feeble-minded and eventually their unions of supposed power always fall apart.

Answer 8

Your church will not tell them your details, So I would not be worried. That is criminal too - I would report that to the Religious Technology Centre, I am going to report it too.

Enjoy your experience in the church, and welcome to what I can tell you will be a better life experience!

PS - I have just looked at the site, she no-longer mentions people's names, Im sure that in here biggoted mind, she realised it was illegal....So breathe a sigh of relief and continue with your intrest into Scientology and good luck with your newly chosen path to total freedom!

Answer 9

If I were you I'd chose a religion you don't have to pay to learn about. You do realise Scientology is going to cost you an absolute fortune, don't you?

Answer 10

i'd say that that lady is weird. talk about religiousfreedomwatch as what the name of the site suggests.


if you really believe in something you wouldn't care about the consequences. from what i'm saying, you're not really that open to embracing your new religion because you seem to be defining it in your own terms. having all this "crap" as some may call is part of the choice that you are about to make.

if you strongly believe in something you will be more than willing to stand by it