Christians Only. Can you explain preordained to me?

Question

I am a Christian but have some trouble understanding preordination. Like a factious book that is to be released in 2 days. The author knows all about the book start, finish, all in between. The readers know nothing about the story. The author has prescripted/preordained what will happen. The readers can't change it. How be it fictional,the characters in the book can't change anything, all things are scripted and in place. Is our life like that? God the author and we are going through the prescripted/preordained motions as the book (our lives) dictitates. If so, what choice do we have? The book (our life) is already set and we had nothing to do with it. Is that the way it is? God knows all things. He saw us in our mothers womb and before. I WILL be saved but this troubles me. Could Hitler have changed his life? Did he have a choice or was he a kind of "scape goat?" A guy gets killed in war. Had no choice in the matter. Did nothing wrong. Didn't want it to happen but it did Y Help me

Answer 1

Very well thought out and great question.....
I ask you to pray about it , and listen to God more than mans answers.

However I would like to offer you this.........
God knows all things true,
but God doesnt force us to choose what we do he just knows what we are going to do.
YES GOD IS IN CONTROL OF ALL THINGS....
Hbr 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
HOWEVER

1Cr 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

This is something that doesnt have to trouble you anymore...Please keep seeking and trust Gods word over mans.

Answer 2

Lets consider preordination in the light of someone born into a royal family. There's nothing they have done to "deserve" the kind of life they will get and if the person is to become a King, you could say he was preordained to be a King. Now this fellow might decide not to accept the throne due to him and he may renounce all those benefits that come with royalty and live like any one of his subjects would. That doesn't mean he wasn't preordained to royalty - he just messed things up. In the same way, God has preordained us for good things and a victorious life but sometimes, through our actions or inactions, we mess things up and don't get to the "throne". We do have a role to play in the preordination drama and that is to obey Him and walk worthy of His calling.

Answer 3

Since you are using a book as an illistration... do you remember those books, I think most of them where science fiction, but there where certain point in the book where you could choose which way to go. Like, if you want him to go down the left road, tuen to page 99, to go to the right keep reading. I don't know if they still make those, but I remember reading some years ago. That is basically how it is with God. He knows the plans He has for us, but satan is there trying to make us stray and other things in this world. My life was like that. I had a lot of bad things happen to me when I was young, then I got into drug, alcohol and self injury. The enemy was trying to destroy me so I couldn't experiance GOd healing and deliverance and could not walk in the ministry He has given me. Gods will is that none should perish, but He gave us free will. He sets up incidents and situations in our lives to lead us back to Him, some just refuse to follow the signs or answer the call. Hope this helps.

Answer 4

God gives you the road map. Obviously, just being born where you are and when you are, you are going to be exposed to certain circumstances...so God had given you the map. You can travel any of those roads. But don't forget you're not the only car on the road, and some other drivers might get in your way, or sometimes there's traffic, sometimes you can take a detour, run into a dead end, etc. But you are the driver. You have a map to follow, but the road you take is up to you :)

Answer 5

No one can thwart God's will, but this is not to say that we don't have complete freedom of choice.

The best example of this is the life of Christ, and his crucifixion.

God had to take into account the actions and choices of everyone involved in Christ's life.

Then he built all those free choices into his divine plan for our redemption.

Satan willingly played his part. Judas willingly played his part. The Romans willingly played their parts, the Jews, the apostles, etc. etc.

God didn't force anyone to do anything they didn't want to do.

Yet, in the end, Jesus was crucified, exactly as God pre-ordained it, and we were freed from the power of Satan, sin, and death.

We're not puppets on God's strings. We're human beings with free will and a human intellect.

God just happens to be God.

Answer 6

Yea this is simple but my help .Since both are there in scripture it the bringing them together thats the issue. So here a simple out look "Have your Theology like a Calvinist (God is in control of all ) and trust in that when every thing is said and done, but live your life like a Armenian ( You are responsible to make a way for Gods work to triumph) every day say to your self if I do not walk in the Spirit to day there is no way for others to see Christ in me therefor I am going to do all I can to accomplish that. Thats a happy medium I think ,,, well Its good for me . Then let God sort it all out when we see Him .. When we are there I think we will all be happy no matter how much our views are shown to be off.

Answer 7

God has already decided everything we will be and do before we are born. God has Mercy on those He has Mercy and empowers them to believe in God who is Jesus so that they then have the strength to believe in Jesus. Those who God has chosen not to have Mercy upon, He gives over to the Devil to do what they decide to do of course under God's Supervision. Hitler had no power to change his life however He was justly condemned by God for being evil. Hitler's inheritance of the evil nature from Adam was a legal event because if you put Hitler in the garden, he would have done the same thing. Hitler sinned and God decided not to have mercy upon him. God punished him with spiritual death and slavery to the Devil. God allowed the Devil to use Hitler to punish Israel for not believing in God who is Jesus. Deuteronomy 28 Death is always the punishment of God see Genesis 3:19 and Romans 5

Answer 8

WE DO HAVE CHOICES. We make are choices in life of either doing good or bad. Ofcourse God know what going to happen but God doesnt make our choice for us. When jesus wants us to accept him, he wants it to be coming from your heart. That will be your choice. Whe you pick the wrong chice God gets sad but unfortunately thats what some people do.

Answer 9

your question has made me think...
cuz i remember priests tellin me that God has planned my life and i have notthing to worry about
at same the time priests will also tell me that god has given us the gift of free choice to do what we want, and make our own choices

any way i think that God gives us choices to make within his preordinated limits
means we wont get a choice to make such that its solution
will go out/exceed the "preordained-limits" of Gods plan for us

hope ive answered your quetion

Answer 10

I'm sorry, I didn't read your "additional details" (no offense.. i just hate reading lol) so please don't hate me if i appear redundant.

pre-ordination/ free-will/ destiny
it's a deep subject! but it's a very good one, and one i've spent a lot of time going over..

this is how i understand it, but of course i could be totally wrong, but it helps me sleep at night.

God gave us all free-well.. the freedom to make our own choices. He doesn't take that back, and He doesn't intervene or change our minds. That's because God is fair. God is also omniscient and He lives in eternity-- not in time. Pre-ordination carries itself out in time. God sees us in one instant-- from our beginning to our end, and everything in between without having to sit back and watch the whole show. God knows us intimately. He knows all the choices that we are going to make, before we actually make it in time. He isn't bound into thinking in a linear way, although that's the way we think most of the time.

In order to understand pre-ordination, you must grasp the idea that God sees us in all dimensions at once. It's hard to understand from our point of view because we can't do that, but God's ways are far removed from ours.

God created us with free choice. But He also knew what our choice would be. He didn't influence our choice-- He just knew because He knows all things. He also knows our heart-- and throughout the Bible, you see the prophets telling ppl to come to God with an open and clean heart.. God judges us by our hearts.. and in accordance with our hearts and what we pray for, God gives us our hearts' desire, in a certain time-released fashion. God knew what we would want when he first created the first man, and set up life in a way to accomodate our choices and our prayers/requests.. He did this all in the first 6 days of creation, but we experience the benefits when we pray-- it releases our requests.

In short, God's a mathematical genius. We were all born in perfect time with others and in a way to accomodate who we are as individuals and what we want from life. Other ppl help us to be who we are. Pre-ordination is another way of saying that we are walking in the path that feels best and most complete for us.

It's hard to boil it down without considering so many other factors.

Here's my final word. Example: we know that Satan will be destroyed. It's his punishment. We believe it's as good as done, and in eternity, (and the book of Revelation) it says it's already been done. but, that doesn't stop Satan from acting now. he's pre-ordained to be destroyed, but he's operating as if he's not. my point is that pre-ordination is the final sum of one's actions, and unless God shows us what it is, we won't know.