How come we will lose the war in Iraq like we did in Vietnam?

Question

Remember how we were told we would win in Vietnam? Now we hear the same in Iraq. do you war supporters still believe we will win in Iraq?

Answer 1

Of course you wont. Because you are fighting for a cause that doesnt exist. To establish peace and democracy. What a pile of bulls**t. Everyday people are being killed by bombs and guns. Some security! And some American soldiers are even killing the people they are supposed to protect, which includes raping a 14 year old girl and killing her family. After doing this much you expect the support of the Iraqi people and Victory. Well tell me when you get cause i dont think victory will be in the next few centuries. And remember all you got in Vietnam was the death of 58,000 American soldiers.

Answer 2

Your question is a rhetorical non-sequiter and I love 'em!!!

As a war supporter I would like to point out the we lost the Vietnam War through a lack of political will, not a lack of military capability. As General Vo Nguyen Giap, architect of the NVA defeats of both the French and Americans, told a US peace activist from the 1960s when the activist was interviewing the General in the late 1990s "All the Americans had to do to win the war was to cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail and they could have done it easily."

This was in response to a query from the activist asking the General to confirm the conventional wisdom among the uninformed in the US that the Americans could not have won the war. As you might imagine, the answer took the peace activist by surprise as he'd been deluding himself all those years that we'd been engaged in an "unwinnable" war. He wasn't alone in harboring this delusion, was he?

While the situation in Iraq is markedly different from Vietnam (e.g., we're not battling a superpower's proxy), there is the same fundamental problem we're facing at this juncture and that is that the Weak Sisters here at home are holding us back. The Cut-and-Run Crowd just doesn't have the courage or the stomach to complete the job at hand and simply does not care about the consequences of bailing out early.

If we want Iraq to reach its destiny as a semi-Islamic republic (principally of the Shiite persuasion) the Sunni rebellion must be put down firmly - either by us or by the Iraqi Army (which, by the way, is coming along quite nicely and at the pace our army said it would two years ago (ever wonder why you don't hear THAT "reported"?)).

At this juncture, that means many more Fallujahs until the Sunnis are exhausted - out of will, money, and arms. At that point we can hand-off to the government and head on home or to wherever else dictators and gangsters need to be put down.

If we leave prior to that point in time the Shiite militias, with or without the Iraqi Army, will do the job. The result won't be quite as tidy, however, as the militias will then be in a position of having more power than we or the Iraqi government would like. This problem already exists and would be exacerbated if events do not occur in proper order.

Hope this helps!

Answer 3

How old are you? Who remembers what was told during the Vietnam war? All we know about it today is hear say. Vietnam and Iraq are non-comparable units. Secondly, who of this government did you ever hear saying that this war can be won. What is it, a Stratego game, Checkers? A war can only be won when one party is totally destroyed. So that is out. Then a war can be considered won when the parties decide on the criteria of win, lose or draw. That is also out because terrorists only go by their own rule. The sensationalizing oversimplifying media may talk about winning and stuff but it is really rather silly to believe that this is the goal. Instead, believe that this war is about eradicating terrorist camps and assets, slowing down development of WMD´s and attempting to bring some kind of democracy to societies where presently Islamic and individual social laws rule that keep ordinary folks from dignity and hope. Why woudl we bother with this? Why co-erce them into this? Well, the idea behind it is that no matter what some already free folks think: each individual likes it better when having choices. In addition, who has a shitty life is in need of empowerment and in these parts of the world the terrorist groups are the only ones that can offer this.
That is what we would like to see changed. When the peoel in the street have more constructive groups to belong to they will. So those alternatives are being developed. Read about it. By helping change people´s circumstances they become more (com)passionate and motivated to contribute to their country´s development. I mean please, just observe what you see on TV. Or better still go there and see for yourself. What do these middle east countries look like? A very few live in palaces and the rest in horribly underdeveloped messy rubble heaps. And contrary to what Arabists like to have us believe, it is not because the West is greedy or Israelis are building the wall because it is just as bad in Egypt Saudi Arabia Syria and Iran where these forces are not at play. No really, it are such hell holes because the leadership is busy with suppresion and punishment only. Also, ordinary folks have no incentive to undertake something that can generate income because as soon as you do well others come along and take it away. Today in Arab and Muslim countries (and in many enclaves in the west) citizens suffer mentally and physically due to this system where the stronger can do to a weaker whatever he likes. Without ever being held accountable. Even when pain and suffering is inflicted. So, if your question is : are we making progress in Iraq? Yes we are. But it is one step at the time. And one message about people wounded and dead overshadows the good what happens. I can see your point. So when you find it hard to believe, it is because you don´t read outside the mainstream mostly anti-Iraq media, that has its own agenda.
Unconcerned unfortunately, with what you need to form a well rounded view. I guess to prevent you from voting for whom you feel you should. Hope this helps. Good luck.

Answer 4

First is the assumtion we lost vietnam......which is questionable at best. When the American public grew tired of the fighting, and the government had negotiated a peace settlement and our troops came home, South vietnam was still a free country and our military had won every major engagement they fought in. South Vietnam falls during the third indo china war, when America was not fighting and the politicians were to scared to go back and stop an invasion from another country. As for loosing Iraq, what would be considered a loss? We have already taken down one of the worse tyrants in the history of the world, developed a government that is represented by the major groups in the country and we are in the process of trying a military that will help protoect itself. Sounds like we have already done all that is needed. Now our enemies from other countries is funnelling their supplies their to try and attack us, fearful of what might happen if we spread the war back to their home lands.

Answer 5

we will lose in iraq like we lost in vietnam for the same reason. In Nam, we never had a real clear objective. You cant win a war when you are fighting an ideal... we were fighting comunism then and it didnt work. now we fight terrorism and it this is a much more spread out idea too.

There is also other factors to account for, we are fighting in there back yard. Ill tell you, if someone came into my back yard, i would fight to my bitter death to protect mine. So we have come to there home which has obviously made them very upset!

ANd also like Nam, we are fighting our way, and they are fighting there way, and I dont think american military is well trained to deal with how they fight, they take out buildings, not troops with bombs, they use suicide boms to inflict damage. It doesnt matter how many troops we send, they dont care. They just keep offing themself to win there cause.


But with all that said, I am still on the fence with all this. The middle east has a CLEAR and DESICE objective. They wish for islams world domination. (not neccisarly there own domination) This is a fact. They are no more content with there small corner in the world and they wish to clense the world of anything but muslims. So what are we to do? Back out and let them sit quitly and plot? They will. They are not done, not by a long shot.

So america and many other countries are stuck between a rock and a hard place. We can continue a battle we cannot win without doing exactly what they want to do with us(geniside) which is wrong and will not ever happen. or we can stop fighting, and allow them to infultrate the world threw the back door and than take us in there own slow, methodic way.

Its easy to critisize this whole thing, but its a situation that will get worse before it gets better


p.s. the guy above me makes rally good points and i could very well agree with what he says, but i still hold true to my above statment

Answer 6

Just like in 'Nam we are fighting a war where we have no business Just like 'Nam the people there resent our presence Just like 'Nam our military is not getting the proper equipment And just like 'Nam we will withdraw after we lose a significant number of our troops and the people in our country protest the war in large enough numbers for the government to really take notice of. The war on terror stated out in Afghanistan in case people have forgotten we had to remove the very same people we helped put into power. We never finished that job Instead we invaded Iraq You Can rest assured that is going to come back to bite us in the butt

Answer 7

Vietnam was not an official war and the ones making all the calls were behind comfy desks in D.C. and that is why we lost the conflict or police action. Besides people at home that were supplying the police action were making lots of money. It's too bad that it all comes down to money.

Iraq, unfortunately is an unavoidable conflict that we will eventually lose also. But if we did nothing then we would be fighting invisible suicide fighters on our own soil and in our skies.

Do you have a better idea to stop the proclaimed war on the U.S. ? If you do please put it into action or shut up.

Answer 8

The United States troops pulled out of Vietnam and turned things over to the South Vietnamese forces who failed to stabilize the country.
US troops will eventually leave Iraq, turning things over to the local forces who will not be able to either stabilize the country or avoid a violent civil war between various factions.
In both cases, the US loses and honor is not preserved.

Answer 9

how does anyone figure we will lose the war in iraq, its not a war against a particular govt any more; if u look at it that way, we have already won because hussein and his party are out of power. since iraq now has an elected govt, if anyone loses a war there it will be them

Answer 10

We have lost the willpower as a country to wage war. Surrender is easier, and the media will pander to the popular will.
The military is ruled, remember, by the politicians, who pander to the media and polls.
We can win any battle almost anywhere, but show some people playing the victim card on TV and we take our soldiers out. Stupid.