Ever wonder how it would feel to have the name of your religion linked to terrorism by your president?

Question

Would you like it if Bush referred to the Christians that blow up abortion clinics and shoot doctors as "Christian-fascist"? What if the news constantly referred to members of the KKK as "Christian-fascist"? Can you not see how the term "Islamofascist" is offensive to normal law abiding American Muslims? They deny that these terrorist represent their religion just like some Christians attempt to claim that the KKK doesn't represent theirs. Something to think about.

Peace, shalom, and salaam, out.

Answer 1

Therein lies what I understand least about religion- people have been using religion as an excuse to carry out the most violent, heinous acts imaginable throughout human history. When someone believes their actions to be the will of God (their one, TRUE God), they should immediately be labeled insane and potentially dangerous. And when the President of the US confesses to believe that God "wanted" him to be president, he should be immediately removed from office as a threat to all humankind...

Answer 2

If you are a peaceful Muslim, abiding by the laws of America, and in agreement with them then you are not an "Islamofascist"
and that name does not apply to you.

I looked up fascism, because you got me to think about the term--it certainly is an ugly sounding term. But anyway I looked it up.

Fascism is a political philosophy or movement or regime that is aggressively nationalistic and hostile to socialism,. It exalts nation and race above the individual and stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. Fascism demands severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition towards itself.

I think it would not be correct to say that the terrorism all of us are facing around the world today is not linked primarily to Islam. The philosophy of the terrorists seems to fit the defininition of fascism.

I'm a Christian and I'm ashamed of Christians that blow up abortion clinics and shoot doctors. I call them criminals. I think the KKK is almost by definition a fascist group, and if they do consider themselves Christians I see your point. Their kind of Christianity has nothing to do with mine, or for that matter, the Bible's.

But the acts of violence are happening around the world and in the name of Islam. There is no getting away from that. I lived in Kobe, Japan, when 9/11 happened. I remember the response of the Islamic community there. They picketed the Osaka embassy yelling "Death to the Americans". Later, many Japanese Muslims were interviewed about their feelings about 9/11 for a television documentary, and the response took me back. There was no feeling of commonness of humanity, there was no sense of sorrow for the deaths, but more of a feeling that the Americans got what they deserved.

For those Muslims who are being identified wrongly with these attitudes and feelings I feel sorrow. But I don't see that it's going to get any better. The more acts of violence that are committed the more the world is going to choose up sides as it were and the more strident the conflict will become whatever any of us want personally. It is the way of life.

We have a mosque near where we live. I sometimes go by and wonder whether and how to go about building a rapport with this group that lives in our midst but still lives separately in many ways. I wonder where their sympathies lie. I wonder how I could make friends. But the mosque sits back by itself, surrounded by empty terrain. It stands veiled and hidden, and does not seem to invite entrance.

And what ground could we find between us, each convinced of our own God as we are. How are we to think terrorism the acts of a few, when the president of Iran has called for the destruction of Israel, in it's entirety. As a Christian am I not an infidel. We can be civil by not talking religion or politic--by nominalizing the thing most important in our lives, our faith in the Creator and Saviour God of the Universe. But so long as hatred is taught to children, whether of the KKK variety or the Islamic variety I see no hope of an end to the calling of names, because I see no hope of an end to the acts of destruction.

But I understand, not completely, but more than you know, how it feels to be called a hated thing that you are not.

And I too pray, for the coming of King Shiloh, the King of Peace.

Answer 3

As we approach the fifth official anniversary of the “war on terror”, the foiled UK “terror plot” has neatly provided George W Bush, the “leader of the free world”, with a chance to remind us of our fight against the “Islamic fascists”. But what if the war on terror is not really about separating the good guys from the bad guys, but about deciding what a good guy can be allowed to say and think?

What if the “Islamic fascism” President Bush warns us of is not just the terrorism associated with Osama bin Laden and his elusive al-Qaeda network but a set of views that many Arabs, Muslims and Pakistanis -- even the odd humanist -- consider normal, even enlightened? What if the war on “Islamic fascism” is less about fighting terrorism and more about silencing those who dissent from the West’s endless wars against the Middle East?

Can we have an independent inquiry this time or are we supposed to swallow and vomit and lick back another whitewash like we do every time?

Answer 4

Remember that the devil is no respecter of persons. he tempted Simon Bar Jonah. He caused Samson to backslide. He caused Esau to disobey his father and marry one of the Hittite women. He tempted Pope Fernan Martins V and caused him to sign that horrible decree in the 15th century. Since evil spirits get strengthened when body fluids are spilled in anger and disobedience, 90% of all wars are enticed by him. To get a war started, first he has to tempt people to put hateful philosophies in place. Look what happened after Prophet Mohammed died. The Kharijites, Ismailiya, Asherites and Mutazilities began murdering each other to muscle their opinions over the Holy Koran. That was the devil's plan and as a result of the hatred that ensued, a book that was initially a book of devotion and prayers is now rewritten with passages inciting violence. How could a religion like Islam (which prophet Mohammad taught as a way for peace) end up instigating killing-- unless the devil infiltrated the teachings? Think of it. To make bad matters worse, now they have inserted their beliefs in the Koran they do not even make mention of which references are inserted by which group. We are to assume that all inserts are from Prophet Mohammed. That is not all, Satan added more fuel by stating that we must not question the inserts of the Holy Koran. God Himsef says that we must test the spirits to see if they be of God.
Boaz.

Answer 5

Why aren't you complaining to the islamofascists who have hijacked the "religion of peace"?
Christians who bomb abortion centers and shoot doctors are fascists.
Remember, it was christians who brought down the KKK. But it doesn't appear that muslims are doing much to stop the fanatics, other than to complain about profiling.

Answer 6

Who are you talking to? I'm pretty sure Bush doesn't read this website.
I agree that it's wrong to imply that most muslims are terroists. I also think that Bush is an idiot and the war in Iraq is a mistake. But do you realise that you complained about that and then you turned around and did the exact same thing. You implied that all Christians are members of the KKK.
That is totally absurd. I happen to be an atheist but my entire family is Christian and none of them are members of the KKK. My family is not racist and I can say with certainty that none of them has killed an abortion doctor. Most muslims are not terrorists and most Christians are not murderers. Ever heard of "thou shall not kill"? I think most Christians would agree with this. Maybe you should do some thinking yourself. This is one of the most pathetic examples of reverse racism I have ever seen.

Answer 7

I think you are reading more into the wording than is there. The groups you named are Christian Terrorists or Fascists, however you want to put it. Anyone who uses force to "convert" others to their way of thinking could be labeled as such. Unfortunately in todays world, it is the Muslims that are drawing so much attention because of the acts of the most radical of your religion. Want to stop the labeling? Get rid of the radical element of your religion that wants to kill anyone who doesn't believe what your religion says. It is as simple as that.

L8r

Answer 8

Having lived in Iraq as a practicing Muslim, I can see what you are saying. However, those that choose to hijack planes, behead hostages, and bomb buildings all in the name of "Jihad" (or however you spell it) ARE Isalamic fascists.

They use violence to spread their religion, just as the "Christian fascists" who bomb abortion clinics do.

So, no one throws the term "Christian fascist" around...That doesn't mean that Bush was wrong when he called it like he saw it.

Answer 9

hey.....he said it right.....it is not his fault or ours that they are Muslim.....I just see it as him speaking truth...sometimes that hurts but it doesn't make it any less true now does it.....it is islamofascist.....and what you fail to realize is that they are not just attacking a certain group[ like those you referred to] but the whole world.......that cant be tolerated ever.....at least Christians take a stand when they see wrong taking place...what have you Muslims done //I have only seen you protesting against AMERICA and other countries and never against the terrorists....either it is fear that keeps you from that or you agree with them...and if it is fear then you need to stand against it anyway.......

Answer 10

there are radically for every religion and ppl recodnize that? like the FBI shoot out with that religous (christian) cult, islamofascism is about ppls impossing their religous views on others... usually religous fring groops dont do that.

but i think u need 2 research more histroy about islam, and understand how many ppl in those countries actually support this view of radicallism that is religously justified (2 them)