TO ALL who thinks god doenst exist or have doubts?

Question

when you see a clock you need no proof to know that there was a wise designer and maker behind that clock, now in a greater scale look at all the order in the universe , coming and giong of seasons, day and night, rain cycle... the way our body works, hormones and.... ... ...
how can you say "oh it was all accidental" ,
the probability that it all is accidental is 0 (if you have studied probability in the mathematics)
why do you want to base your life in 0 probability??.
I am a muslim and i believe in one god who is the best , all knowing , most powerfull, ..... who created everything and sustain them and has no son and doughter or wife or a partner. who hasnt been created himself and is eternal.

***BY the way I believe god is the source of all theses beauties we see in the universe,have you thought to yourself where did all theses beauties(trees , people,rain, music, ...) come from

for those who asked who created god ,
look you cant compare god with his creations.
our minds can never surround
god we cant undrestand god completely
like a math problem that we say ok
I solved it,our minds is surrounded by god
but god isnt surrounded by our minds
God is eternal and doenst have a creator.
like can you tell me a number bigger than +infinity?????

well the truth is so simple as well as beautiful
I say if you look at a snow drop closely with a magnifying-glass that alone would be enough for you to believe in god,beacause these beauties and orders havent come from no where.and if you say the phhysical rules made the snow drop ok
then who put the physical rules there???
but some cant see the truth
are like people who look for sun by candle light .

Answer 1

Friend, I appreciate your efforts. Others who see it from your view, can see the validity in your point. But those who are so firmly planted in their beliefs to the contrary cannot possibly be swayed by something they read on yahoo answers. Its our job to appeal not to peoples heads, but their hearts. The best way to help someone see God, is by living our life the way we know we should. Others will see that we have a special quality in our lives that they dont. It will make them realize that something in their lives is missing, and they will naturally seek out answers from those of us who seem to have that something special. But this isnt the way to do it. Go live your life, be the best you can be, ask God to use you for his glory, and he will. Go touch the lives of thoes around you. But a place like yahooo answers isnt appropriate. They all just think we are crazy and trying to shove beliefs down their throat. Lead by example, not by your words and reasoning. Best of luck, and god bless.

Love, Rachele, a Christian and sister in Christ

Answer 2

It's funny you mention the example of the clock because I believe someone handed me a flyer once that said, "If you come across a watch in the desert you know it was made by a watchmaker and it didn't just come from the sand and so on and so forth randomly". It was preaching about Islam I think, or was it Christianity... no I think it was Islam.

There is a great degree of order to the universe in that there exist physical laws. A moving charged particle creates a magnetic field. Any object with mass exerts a gravitational field. Like charges repel while opposite charges attract. Elements undergo chemical reactions under certain conditions to form other products. There are all physical laws which we have observed... rules by which the universe abides. Why these rules exist... well who knows, but why should we assume that some greater intelligence created them. If so, where does this being live, what is it made of, what made it if it made all of us? But of course we're not supposed to question it.

That is the problem I have right there... we are supposed to just have faith and not question where the clock came from... we are just supposed to have faith that a creator created it. Well, I personally like the scientific approach better, which is to question everything, search for answers everywhere, using the unbiased scientific method such that answers from within your one human mind don't taint the experiment. Maybe the clock was dropped on earth by Aliens... without proof, that's an assumption that could be made. Maybe God or nymphs put it there. My point is that we should ask questions and search for answers, and keep asking them, and keep searching forever instead of just settling down on one and only one explanation that cannot be proved or tested. That would just be too easy... and most likely inaccurate.

When we were not on this planet, life still existed, but did God? Or is God a human invention? When you are born do you know anything of God, or must His truth be taught to you? Quite frankly, I grew up without knowing anything about God and never thought of a God once until I took a comparative religions course in high school. All of the religions were equal in my mind, none more likely than any of the others, or than any myths or fairy tales.

So... how do we know that the clock came from a clockmaker, if we're never taught about a clockmaker? Because you can physically go and visit a clockmaker and see that he exists and makes clocks and he can tell you he made the clock. That is our proof that the clock didn't arise through random events or from some other source, but unfortunately we cannot see or speak with God, and he has not shown himself or revealed himself as the creator, so without that proof, why should I blindly believe in Him?

Sorry, but I just don't see it your way... though if you do, then that is fine.

Answer 3

This is cut and paste from my previous 825 answers to the same question!!!!!!!

You obviously have some notion of what a creator is. Let's go with the simplest form and say he's something like a watch-maker. At one point in time there was no watch - and then he did his thing ...and ... voila! we have a Rolex!

But let's examine what really happened. Did he actually create anything? Or did he merely re-organize already EXISTING materials into a new form? In fact, in this sense has never been a human who has "created" a single object.

And just as that "creator" concept is fictitious, or empty, when it's looked at a little closer in the human scale, you will find it offers no better explanation for the universe as a whole.

Answer 4

The teleological arguement doesn't work. You have a knowledge of clocks, and how things of that scale are constructed. You do not have a knowledge of how the universe would be construct if there were no conscious entity. That's not proof. At most, it's some small shred of evidence to sugguest a conscious creator, and even then there are holes in the arguement (like that it doesn't extend very well to saying that the rest of the universe was created by a conscious entity: it supports the idea that aliens put us here more than that god did it).

Answer 5

That isn't proof. That is deduction. You deduce that there is a God due to the fact that there is so called 'order' in the Universe (something I would not agree with...ever heard of the Chaos theory??).
If you look at the enormity of the Universe and the countless number of stars and planets, then it is not that surprising that this planet has life on it. It is the result of a complex equation. There needs to be a set number of scenarios available for life (as we know it) to exist. I, personally, don't believe in an all powerful being. I cannot see how this supposed superbeing can stand idly by and allow us to destroy each other. The only explanation for our current situation is Nature. If you look at nature, there is natural selection and survival of the fittest. I think that we are 'programmed' to fight each other, for whatever reason, to ensure that natural selection rules are followed. Just an opinion.

Answer 6

The universe is a vast and complex system. Coincidental (not accidental), serendipitous events are bound to occur. In fact that's part of the pattern, part of the plan. There is no order. Earth is no exception. Extremes at the poles human endurance can not withstand. Even with seasons the temperate belt can be quite a challenge.

Besides believing wont get you anywhere, so why not live your life as an exclamation, not an explanation.

Answer 7

"when you see a clock you need no proof to know that there was a wise designer and maker behind that clock"

Yes, yes I do need proof. Time is a human made element. We wanted to measure the passing continuum and we did.

How can a probability be zero when it technically is possible?
The seasons are easily explainable by our pattern of orbit around the sun.

We're just lucky enough to be sentient beings on a hospitable planet.

My main view: Religion is old answers to questions we couldn't solve before modern science.

Answer 8

You don't seem to be very informed about the topics that you are trying to debate.


You are arguing a position called the "God of the Gaps" and is one that theologists of all religions find offensive.

Why?

Because by attempting to define proof of your "god" by what mankind doesn't know, you define "god" as being weak, impotent, and DYING.

You see, mankind continues to learn, which shrinks the unknowns, so any god defined by them is shrinking as well and losing power.

You're arguing a position that involves a weak god, cowering in the shadows of mankind's knowledge.


PS: your statement about probability is factually incorrect. I TEACH statistics at the university level and know that the arguments based on probability in the ID debate are invalid. Besides, no one has ever said that p=0 anway. Even those that build their weak arguments of probability NEVER conclude "zero". So you're not even being factual about an invalid position.

Answer 9

I know that some one made the clock because it is well documented and I can take it apart and see the parts that it was made with. I don't know anything for sure about the beginning of the universe so I think it would be foolish of me to make such a big assumption for a life decision. That is pretending like I do know what happened.

"All I know is that I don't know" - Knowledge: Operation Ivy

Answer 10

I hate that annoying clock arguement. A watch and a planet are two different things! A watch contains man-made mechanical parts, while the planet does not. A ticking clock does not prove to me there is or isn't a god. The treees, nature, etc just happened. No god, no clock-maker in the sky.