No disrespect, just curious. Was he gay maybe? He hung out with 12 guys but not a single woman came on to him. Well, there is that business with Mary Magdalene . . . please enlighten me. If he really was a man, it must have been tough as a teenager to be celibate. If he really was human . . . Is the Bible imposing its own censorship? If so, then the where's the Truth? The reason I ask is I wonder if there's a possiblity of any descendants?
2006-08-12
05:13:46
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I would comment on JesusSaves' (apt name) comment: If Jesus showed that love is a deep element of our awesome universe, I don't care if he loved a spotted snorkelwhacker. How dare you call a display of love an abomination. Is that the extent of your understanding of Jesus' teachings? The universe is not a prude, okay. The universe is real. Beliefs are illusions. See the distinction?
2006-08-13
16:05:09 ·
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An no, I'm not gay.
2006-08-13
16:06:50 ·
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As for SelenaGlover, it was none of your f'ing business about Clinton's personal life and yet you had to go an besmirch a fine human being. All for your political agenda to put a right wing pseudo-fundamenalitst in the White House. And it is too my business. Your "idea" of Jeses is only a regurgitation of what's been pounded into your brain. I posit this because I dont' think you could come up with that on your own. If I'm wrong about that, I apologize.
2006-08-13
16:11:34 ·
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As for SelenaGlover, it was none of your f'ing business about Clinton's personal life and yet your ilk had to go an besmirch a fine human being. All for your political agenda to put a right wing pseudo-fundamenalitst in the White House. And it is too my business. Your "idea" of Jesus is only a regurgitation of what's been pounded into your brain. I posit this because I dont' think you could come up with that on your own. If I'm wrong about that, I apologize.
2006-08-13
16:13:32 ·
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And Francine, my dear, if someone wrote a book about me that would resound for 2,000 you ears, you bet your fine hiney it would have mentioned the women that profoundly influenced my life and still do.
2006-08-13
16:16:05 ·
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And Francine, my dear, if someone wrote a book about me that would resound for 2,000 years, you bet your fine hiney it would have mentioned the women that profoundly influenced my life and still do.
2006-08-13
16:16:36 ·
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And Francine, my dear, if someone wrote a book about me that would resound for 2,000 years, you bet your fine hiney it would have mentioned the women that profoundly influenced my life and one that still does.
2006-08-13
16:16:53 ·
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And Friar_Chuck (nice name btw - almost but not quite the same as that wine quaffing hoodlum of Sherwood Forest), I don't know what you thinkg you know but I think boffing a damsel was no big deal in those days.
2006-08-13
16:20:21 ·
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Prophetess, you may well live up to your name. Fully on the mouth. That's pretty definitive. Does it rile my prurient interests? No, not really.
2006-08-13
16:23:12 ·
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As for the rest of the "abomination mongers," can we agree to disagree on this. My mind does also define some things as abominations. I'm nol different from you in that regard. But the communication of love beween two human beings, whether it be with a dog, the opposite sex, or whatever, is holy. Aren't you the ones that are always preaching, "Jesus is Love?" Why does that have to fit your prurient narrow definition of what love realy is. I a guy the totlaly appreciates the female anatomy. It's hard-wired into my synapes, I didn't get there by deductive reasoning, okay?
2006-08-13
16:27:40 ·
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As for the rest of the "abomination mongers," can we just simply agree to disagree on this?. My mindalso defines some things as abominations. I'm not any different from you in this regard. But the communication of love beween two human beings, whether it be with a dog, cat, humming bird, the opposite sex, or whatever, is holy. Aren't you the ones that are always preaching, "Jesus is Love?" Why does that have to fit just your prurient and narrow definition of what love really is? I'm a male and I totally appreciate the female anatomy. It's hard-wired into my synapes, I didn't get there by deductive reasoning, okay?
2006-08-13
16:30:32 ·
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As for the rest of the "abomination mongers," can we just simply agree to disagree on this?. My mindalso defines some things as abominations. I'm not any different from you in this regard. But the communication of love beween two human beings, or between a hyman and a dog, cat, humming bird, the opposite sex, or whatever, is holy. Aren't you the ones that are always preaching, "Jesus is Love?" Why does that concept only have to fit just your prurient and narrow definition of what love really is? I'm a male and I totally appreciate the female anatomy. It's hard-wired into my synapses, I didn't get there by deductive reasoning, okay?
2006-08-13
16:31:57 ·
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As for the rest of the "abomination mongers," can we just simply agree to disagree on this?. My mind also defines some things as abominations. I'm not any different from you in this regard. But the communication of love beween two human beings, or between a hyman and a dog, cat, humming bird, the opposite sex, or whatever, is holy. Aren't you the ones that are always preaching, "Jesus is Love?" Why does that concept only have to fit just your prurient and narrow definition of what love really is? I'm a male and I totally appreciate the female anatomy. It's hard-wired into my synapses, I didn't get there by deductive reasoning, okay?
2006-08-13
16:32:15 ·
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As for the rest of the "abomination mongers," can we just simply agree to disagree on this?. My mind also defines some things as abominations. I'm not any different from you in this regard. But the communication of love beween two human beings, or between a human and a dog, cat, humming bird, the opposite sex, or whatever, is holy. Aren't you the ones that are always preaching, "Jesus is Love?" Why does that concept only have to fit just your prurient and narrow definition of what love really is? I'm a male and I totally appreciate the female anatomy. It's hard-wired into my synapses, I didn't get there by deductive reasoning, okay?
2006-08-13
16:32:48 ·
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As for the "Rabbi" references, that begs the question. If there was the potential for offspring, could you or I be actual descendants? I mean, that would get you a spot on Barbara Walters, don't you think?
2006-08-13
16:36:10 ·
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The bible, at least the new test. was written in part 130 or more years after his death. (We can't even get the straight facts of A. Lincoln's death , and everyone read, and there were newspapers. What do you think it was like when almost no people read, and there were no books (scrolls of papyrus) outside the temple????) Quite frankly, it would be very surprising if jesus were NOT married, and did NOT have children. (People didn't have girl friends in the sense that we have today. Women did not date, they had a marriage arranged, as did a man. There were prosititutes, of course, and married men visited them as well as men who had no wives. But Girlfriend??? no. Women had a companion older woman whenever she was with a man. No father would allow his daughter to EVER be alone with a man..... (or didin't you know that? In fact, that is the way it still is in the Middle East, and was that way in Europe until only the last 100 years or so. She always had a chaperone.) Jesus was raised jewish, and it was the ABSOLUTE responsibility at the time, that his father find him a wife and provide for him a way to earn a living. He certainly had a following of men, but by the standards of the day, there had to have been women in that group as well. There were also other men who also had followings before and after the time of jesus, so he is not a unique prophet. Pretty strange for a single guy to be running around with other single guys. (just didn't happen -- they'd all be destroyed) Being gay was not a good thing in the Middle East then, and is still punishable by death in much of the area even today. (Gay men who travel in the Middle East must be extremely careful. Was on a tour in Turkey 4 years ago, and one gay couple related the problems of two men traveling together -- dicey to say the least). Celebacy was expected of all teen agers, except that in really it didn't last too long -----women were usually married by age 12 or 13, and men by 17 or 18. People didn't live long then, life was short, (average age in the early 30's -- much the same in India today ---33.) so reproduction was encouraged early. Further half of all babies born died before they were a year old, and many women died in child-bed. Not many people take the bible as literal truth any more. Educated people regard it as it is -- a history, albeit a slanted one, and the musings of those ideas popular at the time..... Those of us who have taken courses in the history of the bible (do so at a University, not a church) have gotten to see how it was changed, added to and subtracted from as christianity evolved, and that to do so was politically important at the time. Add to this that books were copied by hand until the printing press (1500's) and scribes were not above adding their own little twists, what went into the writings, was what we see and read today. (Bet you didn't know that there was a gospel according to St. Phillip, did you?) Until Guttenberg's press, the only people in any community who could read (Latin) were priests -- the common person did not read -- the didn't read Latin, nor their own language -- French, English, German, Farci, Greek, or Aramaic, the last being the language jesus spoke. Where is the Truth? Well, if you believe in "revealed" truth, then read the bible. If you are a thinking individual, you get some books on the subject written by biblical scholars, if you are truly interested, and you take some college classes. It is certainly "easier" to just go along with the "pap" of the writings and distortions of shepherds 2000 years ago, and be done with it. But that is contrary to experience. One interesting thing you could do is to get on Discovery.com, and look up several tapes that they did several years ago -- worth every dime. they has to do with Jesus, the cruxifiction, the upheaval that was going on at the time of Herod. Very nice. They have done several on the subject. (Forgive the typos -- didn't have enough time to go thru it. You asked and interesting question, and I had time this morning to jot you a note.....
2006-08-12 05:57:54
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answered by April 6
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The whole Mary Magdalene thing is a fallacy. An unbeliever was used by Satan to put doubt into people's minds about the truth of God's word, the bible.
The only logical answer is that either He didn't have a girlfriend, or if He did, it doesn't make any difference.
I am sure celibacy among teenagers was common in that time. It just seems hard to believe because of our evil permissive culture these days.
In any case, we can be reasonably sure that Jesus was tempted sexually at some point in His life. The Bible says that He was tempted in every way, like any other human being. Temptation is not a sin - only acting on the temptation is.
2006-08-12 05:24:07
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answered by petezsmg 3
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The Bible was altered by the hand of man. All Scriptures have been and that is no surprise. However, God kept His Truth and Message intact for those who really ask.
Here is one clue: In the Gospels, someone called Christ "good Rabbi". In those cultures to be called Rabbi meant you were married!!! Multiple marriages were very common in those times for many reasons - to have lots of children, to take care of a widow, etc. Abraham had 2 wives! So did Christ. Mary and Martha. They were His supporters, looked after Him, were His followers, and were with Him until the end and even after! There were no children.
It is the unrealistic expectation of humans to make the Christ some 'superstar' kind of person and give Him attributes which can never be fulfilled. Christ always said, I am a man and also the Father and I are one. He prayed to the Father which also means there were times the Spirit of God was not upon Him and he sought Guidance. However, the Messiah/Christ is a Soul on earth with a Mission to bring a Message of God to humanity and that Soul has done that 7 times to open all the 7 seals/messages.
The Last one, 7th Seal, is now opened by the Christ!
Interested? See the website:
2006-08-12 05:26:29
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answered by Anonymous
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Today people try to apply our values to history and you can't do it because life was so much different and the rules were nothing like they are today. They STONED people for adulatory then in the Jewish society, John 8:1-11. There were very serious laws about premarital sex and they STONED people for that too. And I'm not talking about giving somebody a few puffs on a reefer. This was considered a sin against God's Laws. Remember that to accomplish what Jesus was sent here to do, he needed to be sinless, so sex without marriage was out of the question. And believe it or not, people can restrain themselves and actually live without sex. Shocking isn't it!
Also, there were many women around Jesus, and if you read your Bible, there were the two sisters of Lazarus,John 11:19, there was the mother of Joses who was one of three women who witnessed the crucifixion just to name a few, Matthew 27:55-56. These women were his disciples, not apostles, but students and believers who were learning about the Kingdom of God from Jesus.
The Bible is imposing the Laws of God on us. As our Creator, He knows what's best for us. If you think about it, you know we would have a lot less problems both personally and as a society if God's Law on sexually were respected, no unwed mothers, no STDs, no incest. I know it's a tough read but take a look at the law quoted in Leviticus.
2006-08-12 05:59:06
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answered by Lynn K 5
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Have you even read the Bible to know what it says? If you had I'm sure that you would know that homosexuality is an abomination to God, and since Jesus never comitted any sin, then He couldn't have been Gay. While He really was a man, He was also God, so He had the ability to resist temptation. It is not a sin to be tempted, but to give in to that temptation. As for descendants, you will read in the Bible that every person who receives Jesus as their personal savior becomes an heir - therefore a descendant by adoption. There are many descendants!
2006-08-12 05:25:14
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answered by heartforhelping 3
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Yes you are going to get most Christians riled up w/ the gay statement.
There are many scriptures in the lost books of the bible that speak of Jesus' affection for Mary Magdalene & how the disciples were jealous of their relationship. It goes on to say that many times Jesus kissed Mary Magdalene fully on the mouth in front of all of them. Back then, that was a big deal.
I believe that there is some evidence to prove that Jesus had some emotions of normal men and had a special place in his heart for MM. How he persued those emotions is still debatable.
No one may ever know.
2006-08-12 05:24:20
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answered by prophetessqueen 3
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If Jesus did not have a girlfriend how would the Bible be any different than it is?
In the days before the culture was over-sexualized and people lived in a religious community and within family units life could be more innocent. Throw-in the fact that He was the perfect and Holy Son of God and you have your answer.
Your local newspaper never runs articles about how You AREN'T as serial killer. Should we all assume you are?
2006-08-12 05:19:45
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answered by Anthony M 6
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Becos that was not important. That was not His mission. Although Jesus was human He knew of a life with His heavenly father, the way we were tempted it was easier for Jesus to overcome them than us. The Bible doesn't show that Jesus shared ne intimacy with His 12 disciples, no sexual contact or thoughts. Don't u have other guy frenz? does that make u gay?If i never see u with a fmale am i to assume u r gay? Remember all the details of Jesus' life were not put on paper so we'll never know. How can someone who is perfect and condems homosexuality be gay?Don't think so shallow!
2006-08-12 05:20:59
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answered by Francine S 2
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Hi Eagleflyer, sorry to post here, I know it's not the right place, but in response to my question, I ran out of room to respond there. Can't email you either. Just wanted to say that I wanted to include the sentence, "Aetheists need not apply to this one" as I know scripture does not equate to proof of anything. That's why the comment was directed to Creationists. I did get a chuckle from your comment, "Dimwits according to their kind."
Ok, as to this question, there was an excellent documentary done by the history channel that explored his relationship with Mary Magdelene. They presented arguments from both sides...from a historical and cultural viewpoint. Culturally they said that it would not be uncommon for a Jewish man to marry in his teens. Some people said in the documentary that there would be no reason to record his wife if he had one, but others said that in the frame of reference of the writers, it would be absurd fo them NOT to mention it if there was a wife. They recorded all of his geneologies back to Adam! In the end, the opinion was simply, "We don't know, but if it was anyone, it was probably Mary Magdelene" which they also said was a name that would only be given to a wealthy single woman...Mary of Magdala. Otherwise, if she was married, she would have been referred to as Mary the Wife of Jesus. Identity of women came through their spouses unless they were wealthy, independent, and single.
2006-08-12 05:35:02
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answered by lizardmama 6
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Well the people who wrote the Bible after his death wanted to show him as a too much holy person who never had anything to do with a girl - so they did not mention that part of him there. They changed what Jesus preached the way they want. So the Bible does not contain most of what Jesus preached at that time.
2006-08-12 05:18:45
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