Can Athiests and non-believers prove that God doesnt exist?

Question

You hear them tell Christians all the time that there is no proof that there is a God, Jesus, Heaven or Hell, but can they prove that there isn't. Yeah, we know that you say that the Bible was written by man. Uh, we already knew that. There are alot of non-believers that use quotes from OUR Bible to try to dispute our beliefs. We can use those same quotes to dispute them, only we can interprite them correctly. I know I don't always understand what things in the Bible mean, so when I don't I go to someone who I know has devoted years to studying the Bible, researched cities and places mentioned in the Bible, and ancient ways of life, refrences mentioned in the Bible, and anything else concerning Christianity.I know that he will speak from years of knowledge and research and not just repeat what he has heard someone say. Every point made on evilbible.com uses a scripture to "back them up" but a knowledgeable Christian can correctly interprite scripture and discredit them every time.

If you can prove God does not exist, please tell me how you can do that? There are unexplained miracles everyday that prove Gods existence, and the Bible is full of proficies that have already come true. So how does a book that was written hundreds of years ago, have written in it things that are currently happening?
You know, Christians aren't bad people, those that are, are not true Christians. We all sin, the Bible says that the only person who was without sin was Jesus, so we don't profess to be perfect, but we hope that my continued "preaching" and spreading the word, that maybe we can lead people to God. Even if all my "preaching" only makes one person on here question their beliefs that there is no God and one day come to know him, then I have done what I have set out to do.

Answer 1

The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.

Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."

Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.

The banana -- the atheist's nightmare.

Note that the banana:

1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content:
Green-too early,
Yellow-just right,
Black-too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy

To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.

Did you know that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing muscles move an estimated 100,000 times a day, and the retina contains 137,000,000 light sensitive cells?

Charles Darwin said, "To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

If man cannot begin to make a human eye, how could anyone in his right mind think that eyes formed by mere chance? In fact, man cannot make anything from nothing. We don't know how to do it. We can re-create, reform, develop . . . but we cannot create even one grain of sand from nothing. Yet, the eye is only a small part of the most sophisticated part of creation-the human body.

George Gallup, the famous statistician, said, "I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity."

Albert Einstein said, "Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."

Could I convince you that I dropped 50 oranges onto the ground and they by chance fell into ten rows of five oranges? The logical conclusion is that someone with an intelligent mind put them there. The odds that ten oranges would fall by accident into a straight line are mind-boggling, let alone ten rows of five.

The declaration "There is no God" is what is known as an absolute statement. For an absolute statement to be true, I must have absolute knowledge.

Here is another absolute statement: "There is no gold in China. "For the statement to be true, I must know that there is no gold in China, or the statement is incorrect. To say "There is no God," and to be correct in the statement, I must be omniscient.

I must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock...nothing is hidden from my eyes...I know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother. To make the absolute statement "There is no God." I must have absolute knowledge that there isn't one.

Let's say that this circle represents all the knowledge in the entire universe, and let's assume that you have an incredible 1% of all that knowledge. Is it possible, that in the knowledge you haven't yet come across, there is ample evidence to proved that God does indeed exist?

If you are reasonable, you will have to say, "Having the limited knowledge that I have at present, I believe that there is no God." In other words, you don't know if God exists, so you are not an "atheist," you are what is commonly known as an "agnostic." You are like a man who looks at a building, and doesn't know if there was a builder.

Perhaps you have questions that hold you back from faith. First, almost every question you have about suffering humanity etc., can be adequately answered.

Second, we have faith in plenty of things we don't understand. Did you understand the mechanics of television before you turned it on? Probably not. You took a step of faith, turned it on, and after it worked, understanding how it worked wasn't that important. We accept that there are unseen television waves right in front of our eyes. We can't see them because they are invisible. For them to manifest, we need a receiver, then we can enjoy the experience of television.

God is not flesh and blood. He is an eternal Spirit-immortal and invisible. Like the television waves, He cannot be experienced until the "receiver" is switched on. Here is something you will find hard to believe: Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him" (John 14:21).

Either that is true or it isn't. Jesus Christ says that He will manifest Himself to anyone who obeys Him. Approach the subject the same way you approached your first television set. Just take a small step of faith. If it works, enjoy it, if it doesn't, forget it.

Or have you an ulterior motive? Could it be that the "atheist" can't find God, for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman? Could it be that your love for sin is clouding your good judgment? If the Bible is true, and Jesus Christ has "abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel," then you owe it to yourself just to check it out. Here is how to do that:

With a tender conscience, check this list of the Ten Commandments:

1. Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?
2. Have I made a god in my own image�a god to suit myself?
3. Have I ever used God's name in vain?
4. Have I kept the Sabbath holy?
5. Have I always honored my parents implicitly?
6. Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)?
7. Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?
8. Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?
9. Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?
10. Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2.000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God...as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Answer 2

You want to know why we don't have to prove god doesn't exist? Here is why: 1) Prove that Vishnu doesn't exist 2) Prove that Xenu doesn't exist 3) Prove that unicorns don't exist 4) Prove that Zeus doesn't exist 5) Prove that you don't have a twin brother who lives under the sea 6) Prove that my grandmother can't fly 7) Prove that I'm not god 8) Prove that no one will ever live past 120 years 9) Prove that Elvis is not from Venus 10) Prove that your dreams are not real in another world 11) Prove that Moses wasn't bicurious 12) Prove that Jesus didn't have six fingers on each hand 13) Prove that God doesn't have an ottoman for his throne 14) Prove that angels can't do calculus 15) Prove that Adam and Even didn't consummate their love every 22.17 minutes 16) Prove that the Red Sea didn't have a pH of 6.9 when Moses split it 17) Prove that Mary didn't have a favorite pair of sandals that she wore only on Fridays 18) Prove that Paul wasn't a midget 19) Prove that Matthew didn't write his account while sitting on the dock of the bay 20) Prove that John the Baptist didn't have herpes Are you seeing why the burden of proof is not on us? It will never be on us. You are making the claim. You support your position. We are simply saying that your claim is wrong because there is no support. You can keep enjoying this but you will never understand because you do not wish to understand. You should take some time with a logic class and see what you can learn.

Answer 3

". . . can they prove that there isn't."

No. As an agnostic, I think that it is logically impossible to disprove the existence of a God or anything that is outside of this universe that we are a part of. For this same reason, I cannot disprove the hypothesis that there is a giant snail outside of this universe pooping out new universes every five seconds. But you wouldn't say that this is true just because it can't be proven false. To do this is to commit the logical fallacy of an argument by ignorance.

By the same token, I think that it's impossible to prove that there is an all-powerful God. Even if you were to meet God, what it to say that there isn't a greater God than that one that created the lower God? Maybe one God created everything in this universe, but he is within a larger universe that was created by an even more powerful God. This kind of thinking is counterproductive though, and just shows that the notion of an "all-powerful" being is logically indefensible. But I'll now limit the term "God" to mean a God that is the creator of this universe.

Anyone who isn't a Christian will not accept Bible scripture as proof of God anymore than you would believe the spiritual teachings of Islam or Hinduism just because they are stated clearly and specifically in the Koran or the Bhagavad Gita. I don't know the nature of the quoting that you have discussed, but it seems like from what you've said, the truth is not in the text so much as in the interpretation.

I'm not going to say that the Bible is evil, because I think that it contains great moral teachings and poses many interesting philosophical questions. I believe that the exceptions to this are people who read the Bible strictly and use that as a tool to rationalize discrimination against women and gays, as well as preposterous theories like seven-day creationism. Because the Bible was written by people in a time with a different set of social standards, the writing is affected by the culture's prejudices and biases. And to assert seven-day creationism and reject the Big Bang and evolution is to make the enormous claim that common knowledge in the fields of biology, astronomy, physics, paleontology, archaeology, and philosophy is all wrong. I am led to believe that this extreme form of Christianity cannot possibly be accepted on anything but faith alone--certainly not logic.

I think that due to progress in science, there are so few unexplainable phenomenon in the world that it seems unnecessary to assume the existence of a God or any kind of divine intervention to account for the world's events.

Answer 4

You are correct, nobody can prove there is not a God because God lives. Some people say it is because we can't see God or touch Him that they know He does not exist, well I hope everyone with a headache or a toothache can convince themselves that the pain does not exist, because they can't see it or touch it. We can't see the air, but we can feel it's presence and we can see it's results. It is the same with God, we can feel His presence and we can see the results of communication with Him (prayer). I find it strange that some people who claim they don't believe in God, will ask Him for help in dire situations (i.e., "Oh My God" "Lord Have Mercy"). I find it strange that some people who say that God doesn't exist will recognize Satan; knowing there is not one unless there is the other. If a person really wants to know, and has the ability to be objective, then pray and ask God to manifest the reality of His existence. If He is not real, then nothing will happen, and one would confirm their own belief. God is real, so the nonbeliever would gain by learning that (s)he really should pick up the scriptures and learn what things they should be doing. Prayer is a win-win situation; prayer can only be beneficial.

Answer 5

Okay, lets try some logic...

Is it local that anyone will ever "prove" anything enough? Uh...nope! Why? Because no matter what logic there is, no matter what studies, believers will always believe. And if they die and there is nothing then they aren't even aware or it or give a damn anymore and can't even tell other believers the truth of it...so people keep right on believing...

But personally....the bible is a BOOK...ink on paper...seems silly to take paper as all truth. And if all those other religions that used to exist, and were totally believed at one time, are not real...as well as other religions you don't believe to be real...then what makes this one so real, just out of the blue like that when thousands of other beliefs past and present are considered fake...

Answer 6

It is impossible to prove something does not exist. The burden of proof is on the one proposing the positive (i.e. that God does exist.) Try learning a little about logic. Wait, then you would have a hard time believing in God, huh?

And yeah, Christians can twist the Bible to say whatever they want it to say, no matter what the argument.

Answer 7

The debate on whether one can prove that God does or does not exist is in many ways an intellectual shell game, with both sides trying to dupe the other.

The more important and more highly answerable question is: Is God relevant? If the universe can ultimately be explained through scientific inquiry, what benefit is belief in God?

If the scientific method allows for predictions and tests based on integrative theories, theories that are then subject to modification or change based on the gathering evidence, to what end is God as intervener, one who disrupts the scientific process?

The evidence (for determining if God is relevant) is becoming more available, and there is potential for gathering more to at least support a theory of God's relevance.

Answer 8

One interpretation (namely yours) is more valid than another because you're part of the "good" group and others are part of the "bad" group? I see...... are you suggesting that anyone who isn't a Christian is incapable of accurately interpreting and understanding scripture, or are you just saying that about all the non-theists you've met?

With religion, you can consider yourself 110% correct without having to back up that self-assured feeling with any actual >>>empirical evidence<<<. People love to be right and when you're (insert religious affiliation here), you get to be right all the time and no one can say otherwise because you've got faith on your side.

Faith can be the ultimate bluff in any situation in which you can't back up your hand. Scream faith loud enough and eventually people might say "ya know, they seems so sure, maybe they're onto something". Keep in mind that this is just the logical fallacy of "ad nauseam". Say something so many times and people will start to buy into it because something repeated so often must have SOME merit to it. That's the fallacy in action, my friend.

That's why people get so defensive about their prefered brand of spirituality. They get so used to righteous indignation that it becomes second nature. Lash out at anyone who dares contradict, they figure, because their faith is the true faith, the right faith... and that's because they have faith!

Quite the circular logic, eh?

So...... who knows if atheists can ever disprove the nonsensical concept of god to your satisfaction? It doesn't really matter, though, because you'll never give them the chance. You'll always wear your "My personal blind faith trumps all" badge and it will get you exactly NO WHERE if you're looking for actual productive, enlightening discourse.

Answer 9

No. Faith doesn't have anything to do with proof or logic. We can't prove he doesn't exist and you can't prove he does. Same can be said of Santa Claus. Any efforts to prove or disprove faith from either side are ridiculous. But, I would call faith itself ridiculous. I'm not the type to complicate my life with contradicting, man-interpreted versions of how or why we're here. That there's no good reason to believe in something "supernatural" is good enough for me - and not knowing something is to me no good reason to make up a story to explain it, nor accept the first story that does.

As far as the...we'll call them the "secular" aspects of the bible go - that is, historic references, key characters, etc. - I for one will not argue that much of it may be fact. I actually think that a man named Jesus DID exist, and he was probably a pretty nifty guy. However, I choose not to believe that he was the son of God. That requires faith. Faith doesn't have much value for me. If it works for you, that's fine, just keep it to yourself.

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Answer 10

Can Christians prove that God exists? Don't quote from the Bible.

Answer 11

I have never claimed I can actually prove God doesn't exist. I only support the idea that as long as God's existence is not proved, there's no reason to believe he exists. If I came up with the idea that there is a blue dog, I'd have to prove it for you, or else not expect you to believe in that. I cannot demand that you prove there is no blue dog. Well, if you come up with the idea that there is a god that cannot be seen or anyway perceived through the senses, you have to prove it to me, or else not expect me to take you seriously. If you really want us to prove there is no God, then I dare you to prove me there is no blue dog.