How can you have an argument on a social level with the religious? aren' these people are by definition idiots

Question

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm

http://w-uh.com/posts/031226a-religion_vs_IQ.html

Answer 1

Yes I have to agree with you. Religious believers are not really recognised as being intelligent.

My studies and research shows that religious people are not exactly rocket scientists, they tend to be below average intelligence, and also have a tendency to be more violent than non-believers. In some cases, the more violent the person, the more religious they are. I suspect that the vast majority of religious people are well below average intelligence.

I wonder if trying to improve the intellectual standard of our global community would help remove the various religions from our culture, and thereby improve happiness and peace for humanity.

We need smart kids, not dumb violent children who believe in a God.

It’s a statistical fact that the higher your education, income, and intelligence, the more likely you are not to believe in a god. For every college student that converts to a religious belief system, 17 college students convert to atheist beliefs.

Atheists have an average intelligence of 25 IQ points above their Christian counterparts. It’s no wonder why the USA (75% Christian) is so arrogant, aggressive or violent towards others in this world.

80% of the world’s population is religious.
80% of the world’s violence and wars are caused by religion.
80% of religious people are of below average intelligence.

There are numerous examples of the above, but such statistics are ignored or more importantly, deliberately concealed by religious groups.

I could go on and on with more examples, but the above is sufficient to support your question with further evidence.

Answer 2

Firstly, this is a badly phrased question. Perhaps you should have thought about what you are writing and clarified exactly what the question was that you had. But, beggers can't be choosers, so I will answer as best as I can.

By definition, "Religion—sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief. In its broadest sense some have defined it as the sum total of answers given to explain humankind's relationship with the universe."

You're wrong in saying that a religious person is an "idiot". That's not the definition at all. Research says that a religious person is not so bright, but I do know some really religious people who are very smart.

You, in comparision, are an idiot who is stereotyping based off of someone's belief system. Actually, you seem to be attacking Christians. I may not be one, but I don't think it's right to attack someone's beliefs. Why should I stoop to that level? I'm not saying that all Christians attack one's beliefs, because not all of them do. But still, it remains that some (and this isn't just limited to Christians. It can be found in Muslims and the Jewish, and really any religion.) do.

Anyway, you have to remember that science is a belief system as well, even when they say that their "beliefs" are based off of fact. If that's the case, in my opinion, then ALL belief systems are based off of fact. While it remains that a lot of unintelligent people are religious, I'm not saying that's not true, because a lot of them aren't too intelligent, but there are a lot of them that are quite smart.

I'm not sure how you can have an argument with a religious person. But, for that matter, how can you have an argument on a social level with a scientist? Or an atheist? Both, since they do fit the definition of "religion", at least to my eyes, ARE religions. So how can you have an argument with ANYONE?

So, to point out something that I hold to be true, every single person on this planet has a religion, regardless of whether or not they say that they have one.

So both intelligent people and idiots are "the religious" and as such it is a trait that all humans possess, regardless of the fact that it has come to be associated with religions that believe in a single diety, regardless of what one's actual beliefs are.

Answer 3

I tend to agree with you but, I would also like to add to your group of religious idiots the ones that follow the religion of Science. Not Science, but the Science religion, which is a completely different thing at its core.

What makes religious people idiots (as you say it) is, in my humble opinion, two things. First, the willingness to accept as the Truth something that is written just because it is written. In other words, any document has a relative value. That applies to the Bible, to high school books and to peer reviewed articles on the Lancet. For example, someone above stated several facts that would be overwhelming proof of what you claim. How you take these "facts" are a measure of your IQ (Idiotness Quotient).

Second - and this is where the main difference lies - Science is NOT in the business of finding the Truth and to view anything as a "scientific truth" equates to being as much as an idiot as any of the people you call religious idiots. (To understand this better, look into Popper, Karl).

Now, granted that we all need something firm to hold on to, we all are idiots at some point.


(Note: This is NOT directed to YOU, so please don't get offended.)

Answer 4

Actually many of them are quite bright. It's just that humans have been emotional animals far longer than rational ones. Religions emotional arguments are much more popular than reason and logic. So many quite intelligent people have blind spots when it comes to religion. This is further promoted by indoctrination at an early age. That's why Christians and such put so much effort into indoctrinating children. They feel, rightly so, that if they can get their hooks in children at a young enough age, the child will be less likely to question the superstition later on. This is bolstered by threats of Hell, warnings against listening to people of different faiths, and promises of rewards after death.

Answer 5

Don't you think that the very wording of your question shows a narrow-mindedness similar to the religious people you are so scornful of?

Who do you mean when you say 'the religious?' Do you really think that all religious people think and act the same way?

And what do you mean by 'on a social level'? Do you mean a conversation of common social courtesy (which most religious people are more qualified in than you are, by the tone of your question), or do you mean on a topic such as social welfare? You might be very surprised at the results if you approached such a topic with an open mind yourself. Many religious people of varying religions are highly concerned about social welfare.

Frankly, until you can articulate a more meaningful question, you are unlikely to receive a meaningful answer.

Answer 6

maximum of your argument is misguided. one million. the genuine clarification for faith is works-righteousness to appease a deity. 2. genuine Christianity is a fashion of life and has no rituals which define faith. 3. The Bible surely preaches against slavery, homophobia, sexism, racism, bigotry, discrimination. 4. There are actually not any morals and not applying a ethical base - there is fullyyt ethics that's in accordance with a cultural perspective. 5. You curiously are actually not conscious there's no archaeological or literature help of the theory you're making approximately those 6 "gods" sharing attributes with Christ. maximum of those rumors began interior the seventeenth and 18th century and are unfounded. additionally, you curiously don't comprehend that maximum Christians who examine the Bible comprehend jesus substitute into no longer born on Dec. 25 - He substitute into born for the time of tax season interior the spring or early autumn. 6. Your premise that God is all-understanding and as a result to blame for miscarriages, tsunamis, etc. shows you're thoroughly unaware of the reality we live in a fallen, sin-crammed international of affliction and death which God has left to us as stewards. by applying rejecting God and embracing demonic entities (fake gods and idols), we provide demonic forces administration of our lives and as a result acquire the death and affliction as a result. 7. To equate the Crusades, Naziism, and the KKK as representing Christianity is a gross errors and back an ignorant association - the practices of those movements are needless to say and blatantly against Christian concepts. 8. technological understanding does no longer be the place it extremely is without faith. Too undesirable you blame God for the sins of guy, you omit the element. Your argument fallacious in its entirety.

Answer 7

Having examined your source material. Let's assume the conclusion that your second source favors, "Having a higher measured IQ lowers your likelihood of considering religion important (my personal favorite, given the absence of evidence to the contrary)," for the purposes of discussion.

What can we draw from that? Well reminding ourselves that IQ measures rational intelligence, it is easy to believe that those with high amounts of rational intelligence would favor a rational basis for descision making. Religion is clearly irrational, therefore those with a higher IQ reject it. However, it is their inability to understand religion that leads to its rejection, not the truth of religion.

As for your first reference, scientists as a natural hazard of working in their profession come to believe that science can explain everything. Therefore anything that science cannot explain must be false. However, if you look at the philosphy of science, it is clear that science cannot answer whether or not God is real.

Answer 8

As an example - I told a friend of mine (just after 9/11) that Islam is descended from the line of Abraham and the actual religion is one of peace as much as Christianity when she began to talk about "those people" as one evil entity - She put her hand in my face and covered her ears and told me she would not listen to anything I had to say on the matter - I haven't spoken to her since. I am not religious in the slightest but I try to be accepting of people whose faith guides them within reason and judging by my circle of friends these days the Christians are outnumbered!

I was raised Christian, I believe in Deity and spirituality but I do not believe the bible or the Talmud or the Koran or the book of Mormon hold any holy truths other than be good to your fellow babies.

Answer 9

Honestly, a little grammar goes a long way: especially when you have the nerve to call a group of people idiots. Right now it's you who looks like an idiot.

Answer 10

I am a Christian and do not think I am an idiot. Of course I did not click on the link to see what some fanatics are doing out there, but I am sure they do not believe and speak the same as I do.