If in Christianity, God said "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me, nor worship idols...?

Question

Why are Freemasons accepted within the church? Some even hold positions within church! How can this be when they have taken oaths to eachother, and sworn to secrecy, and are practicing ritual that can be traced back to Egyptian and other occult practices. I can't for the life of me understand how you can be both a Christian, and a Mason or affiliate (ie: Eastern star)

Oh, and is not the Eastern star symbol strikingly similar to that of the sign of Baphomet, that the Knight's Templar used to symbolize Satan? I don't know, just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 4, but tired of people trying to convince me it really equals 5. Can someone explain this to me?

to gethsermonos...I simply beleive in God. I beleive in a loving creator that made us, the heavens and earth and all within and inbetween. However, I grew up in Christian church, and SAW Masons and Eastern Star come to church in FULL REGALIA!!! It even confused me as a youth, I just saw those symbols and knew they were of evil. What were they doing in a house of God?

Spanner-Thanks for the links! I'll check those out when I get a chance!

Answer 1

It is a very good question. Officially some churches do not encourage it. However, they are all infiltrated, I believe. As has been suggested, the secrecy of their affiliations does not permit them to speak about it much in public. You could note the responses I have been receiving to my question "How many times has the averge Mormon taken the Bloody Oath?". I know that Mormonism is a variation of Freemasonry. Mormons hold many of the same ideas and connect well with the regular orders of Freemasons at public events sponsored by Freemasons.

To the extent that many people are on the System, many people are, as you say, affiliated with the Freemasons. Many people are using their churches as places where the Freemasons can act (i.e. rob) on their behalf through their congregations, maybe because Freemasonry is sometimes considered as quasireligious and offically does not accept atheists as members. However, if you talk to people on the System about the System, they often pretend that they do not know a thing you are talking about. They maybe draw a dumb blank stare or suggest that you see a psychiatrist. I tried it just today. They are major thieves among many sectors where I come from, and most likely inother places as well.

Answer 2

I think the answer is that there is more than one answer!
Some people get mildly involved in being a Mason, and don't take the ritual seriously, but consider it more of a social club.

At the other end of the spectru, some churches would not consider a Mason to be qualified for membership in a church, because of the very conflict you mention.
So the term 'the church' is too broad -- you would really need to ask the pastor of a particular church what his rationale was.

Some churches have become so distorted by the political correctness of our day that they are afraid to tell anyone how to think, even within their own congregation.

Answer 3

In order to answer such a question one must know what the "church" is. First it is not a club or an organization or even groups of people set up around a certain creed which one avows.

Gentiles for fellowship are directed by the Holy Spirit to abstain from pollutions of idols and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Acts 15:20. Note that the pollution of idols in 15:20 is made very clear in 15:29 being meats offered to idols.

St. Paul notes that someone who is strong in faith might have no problem eating meat offered to idols. He says that if this cause a problem for a weak brother, than the strong brother should abstain -- not based on his conscience but upon the other persons conscience.

Having established the rule of conscience by the Word, I would set forth that the church is the elect bride of Jesus Christ, determined by God alone, who looks upon the heart of every man. That is to say that the church is not in any way determined by the rules or doctrines of your fellowship or mine.

Based on Scripture, and what the church really is, there is no real spiritual ground for excluding a Mason; or most anybody else who claims the blood of Jesus and shows the intents and some fruits of the Holy Spirit.

I am not rejecting your feeling about the wisdom of a Christian being in a secret lodge of any kind. In fact, I agree with you, and would not by my own conscience do so. I have always felt that way even though many close members of my own family were greatly involved in various secret lodges as well as holding church office, ordination and general membership
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To answer you question. I think you are right, but it is a matter of your conscience according to the Word.
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If some of your church leaders or members teach otherwise, they are not much better than the situation they object to. They look to gather followers and glory in themselves without a sure foundation in the Word of God.

The ties of Christianity to Egypt and God's dealings today go deeper than the Masonic teaching. I would be more concerned about the Chrisitian leadership in America today. A vast majority seem to have no real understanding of the mysteries of the Bible. Maybe they know more about Masons being former members?

Your question is not unimportant, but don't get off track on some moral judgement in place of your spiritual walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.
God is in charge. He doesn't need you or me or anybody else to correct the Masonic Lodge. Make you decision and move on.

Answer 4

My uncle was a Mason for a long time before he died and was also a Christian, as well as a lot of the other Masons in the group. One has nothing to do with the other. They don't worship idols, and they do a lot of things for communities, children's hospitals and much more. You have to be very predominate and a very good person to be a Mason. Actually you have to be invited to join, that is how hard it is to get in. They are in no way a cult and there is no reason why they could not be Christians as well as a Mason. They had a special service for my uncle when he died and they prayed to God and everything.

Answer 5

Christianity is seeped in pagan culture. Most of its cherished beliefs came from some pagan nation that God condemed.
Look at a catholic church with its statues and saints.
Glorifying men and idols.
Christmas came from pagans worshiping a sun god.
The evergreen represented someting still alive and the balls on the trees. Were from sex worshipers. With the sun on the top.
Jesus was never born in December. Everyone knows that.
Santa Claus worship of a nonexistant man. That is a lie.
EAster bunny that lays colored eggs? What does that have to do with a resurrection. The list is endless from St. Patricks day to Valentines. I mean who are those guys? Whats a few occult practices between christians? Never stopped them before.

Answer 6

Good call jellybean. You are so right. There are many who claim to be Christians, but are so far away from God. Freemasons are an occult and so many people have been deceived by them.

A good church wouldn't condone anyone being a part of any occult. Sadly, some churches are not protecting the body of believers well enough.

Answer 7

What do I believe is one of the worst insults you can throw at a Christian? Say that they're a "Religious
Person". I thought this was a commonly known thing, but in a lot of my conversations with non-believers, or
apathetic people, or even "Religious People" for that matter, I have found that not many people understand
the difference between being "Religious" and being a Christian
A "Religious Person" say's if you don't go to church, you'll end up in Hell. A Christian knows that you'll only
end up in Hell if you don't know Jesus.
A "Religious Person" says, you shouldn't drink, smoke, chew, swear etc. A Christian knows that God loves
them and accepts them for who they are, warts and all. Not to say He loves everything you do, but he loves
you DESPITE what you do.
A "Religious Person" is awful proud of themselves for all the charitable donations they make, and all the
money they give to the church. A Christian knows that it's all Gods anyway, and sometimes a nickel is much
more than a $100 bill.
A "Religious Person" thinks that if they're good to people, don't steal, and perform good works that they are
somehow more righteous than the next guy, and this will win them points in heaven. A Christian knows that
they are saved by grace through their faith alone, and absolutely nothing else. They may perform good
works, but they realize that their works are but filthy rags when compared to the gifts from God.
A "Religious Person" thinks that long prayers are impressive, and that if they have the gift of tongues they are
somehow more "Religious" than someone who doesn't have such a gift. A Christian knows that when it
comes down to it, it's that time you spend in secret, quiet conversation with God that matters, and what you
say in that time is irrelevant.
A "Religious Person" treats atheists/agnostics/unbelievers like they are doomed, and don't associate
themselves with such people. A Christian knows that his actions are more important than his words to the
lost, tries to treat all people with the love that God has for them (believer or not) and realizes that only a sick
man needs a doctor.
"Religious People" killed Christ, and still kill new ideas today. They think worship should be done a certain
way, when you wear certain things and only in a certain setting.
"Religious People" point out a speck in your eye when they have a plank in their own.
My biggest challenge is when I talk to people who are non-believers that basically dismiss all I say as
bunk...simply because they choose not to believe. It makes me sad for them, but that's what it all comes
down to...it's a personal choice. They say there's no God. To me, that would be like me saying to them,
"Well, I've never met your dad, so therefore I don't believe you have one." It's that real, and I'm that
confident in my relationship with Him
I have had "Religious People" quote to me the verse from Revelations that talks about being on fire for God,
not "luke warm". To many Christians and Religious people alike, that may seem to be on my case. My only
defense is this: God knows my heart. He knows yours too.

I had to get this off my chest, all I keep reading here is Religion this and then the things said about Christians which is really just saying religion

Answer 8

Christians not greater worship a statute of Jesus or the Virgin Mary as an idol than individuals "worship" the statue of Abraham Lincoln interior the Lincoln Memorial or Thomas Jefferson on the Jefferson Memorial. there have been controversies, sometimes preferable to political upheaval and violence, over using non secular pictures. The Byzantine Empire, interior the 8th and ninth centuries, substitute into divided by applying what's greater often than not called the "iconoclastic controversy," which led to a minimum of two variations of the ruling dynasty. With the upward push of militant Puritanism in the process the English Civil conflict, strict Puritans destroyed a significant volume of non secular artwork in England. ordinarily, quite interior the middle an prolonged time, while different the inhabitants substitute into illiterate, non secular artwork served the objective of conveying Bible memories visually. subsequently, non secular artwork has been considered as an help to faith, interior the thought we worship G-d no longer purely with the rational mind yet with all of our senses and our appreciation of the two organic and guy-made attractiveness, the two auditory and seen. Grace be unto you and peace.

Answer 9

My understanding right now is that there is an occult part of freemasonry. I think it is called the OTO. I have been reading about it but still have not figured it out. It seems that some masons do not participate in the OTO. The OTO is the inner circle. Maybe someone can explain it better. But that's all I have on that right now.
Cathy

Answer 10

Most Christians don't realize freemasonry is a form of Satanic Worship.

Southern people have grown up with it and accept it, they don't see it as a bad thing.

Also, there are people who hold high positions in Christian Churches that hold higher positions in Satanic Churches!

The devil sends his spies everywhere.

And sometimes, "Christian" churches started off that way, but fell into the hands of non-believers who like money.

Isn't it worse that every president (Christians included) since the beginning of the US has been a freemason???

Why do you think George Bush is doing this? In the name of God? oh, no....


p.s. My Great Grandad was a Mason. He used to be best friends with this father at a childrens orphanage. He would pay the friar money to have the key to the orphanage and he was also allowed to take children home so he could rape them and abuse them. I learned this from my Great Aunt. He used to rape her too.

So don't tell me Masons aren't of a Satanic nature. You just don't know one in the 33rd degree. (the highest level you can achieve in Masonry)