Christians, what do you think?

Question

Here are a couple other quotes to ponder:

“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union], People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.’”
-Jerry Falwell, speaking on who’s at fault for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.


“Tolerance is the worst roar of all, including tolerance for homosexuals, feminists, and religions that don’t follow Christ.”
-Josh McDowell at a 1994 Youth for Christ rally

These may come as a shock. Please no personal attacks, just opinions.

Answer 1

Context is very important. Tolerance is a good word except where people, especially children get hurt. What is hypocritical is those who claim Tolerance as such a virtue are totally intolerant of Christians living out their Christianity.

Answer 2

THe first Quote: Jerry Falwell says crazy things. Period. I am Christian and I disagree that pagans made 9/11 happen. Obviously it was the Muslims. But don't think that America is good, or Godly nation. I think it started off that way, but all these groups didn't want to be under God. America is not a Christian nation, it's not a Godly nation. In fact, it's pretty Godless and getting worse day by day.

2nd Quote: I agree with his statement. Non-Christians talk about tolerance for gays, abortionists, muslims, that we should all tolerate everyone. But I don't see any tolerance for Christians. There are more people here strike out against Christians and say the vilest things. And no one says anything. They are like the Nazis talking about God and Christians. So you talk big about tolerance, but become hippocrites the minute you open your mouth against Christianity. How are you tolerant to Christianity when you have so much hate in your black little hearts? Basically, all opionions and view points no matter how rediculous are ok, but if you have a Biblical viewpoint, ohh watch out. There will be five hundred guys to try to shut you up.

Answer 3

Been knowing those things.

I happen to live in the same city with Jerry Falwell. He says a lot of really stupid ish on a regular basis.

Some Christians believe those things, other's don't. It's just how it is.

Can I ask exactly why we are asking what Christians think though? Jerry, Josh, or anyone else don't speak for all Christians. It's like saying Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush represent every American.

Answer 4

First of all, I'm glad that Jerry Falwell and Josh McDowell aren't the authors and finishers of the Christian faith. With respect to Falwell's comment, it has been suggested that part of militant islam's reason for hating our western culture is because all of the behaviors or organizations mentioned above are abhored by the muslim faith. So, if part of the terrorists' reason for 9/11 is based on those behaviors or organizations, then Falwell is correct, somewhat. However, it is not the only reason they attacked. I find Falwell's delivery of that concept to be unappropriate and not useful for anything.

As for McDowell's comment, the nature of the word "tolerance" means to tolerate something that is unaccepted, incorrect, or wrong. So, by that definition, the toleration of evil is a bad thing. God does not tolerate what He calls sin. (He called it "sin" before Falwell or McDowell.) God does, however, "forebear" sin. God's bases for being able to forebear sin (or not punish it immediately) is because of His Son's sacrificial death, which pays for the punishment. Nevertheless, there will be judgement for those who do not accept Christ as the source of their righteousness, but rather depend on their own works.

Answer 5

Hi two-words,

i think your quotes demonstrate two things. First, is that when Christians don't speak or behave in a Christ-like manner the world mocks Christ. It also reminds us too off course that everyone falls short of God's glory.

In terms of Mr. Falwell the only thing i know about him is off course his scandal. So i've never thought him to be a great representative of what Christ is about, but at the same time i don't really know the man- so that's between him and God. But it's ridiculous to think that 9/11 was anything short of a cowardly terrorist act that affected our nation greatly.

Josh McDowell is actually an excellent apologist and i know a very good speaker for youth. i sort of wonder what the full context of that quote is. i know he preaches about purity and kids following the plan that God has for their life- so i'm a bit shocked but just wonder what the context of the quote was.

Well there's my "nickel" of thoughts,

Nickster

Answer 6

I think that like all Christians, Jerry Falwell, Josh McDowell, and you try to demonize anyone who doesn't share their particular beliefs. I also think that none of you minds blaming innocent people for atrocities and natural disasters--something that no rational sane person would even think of doing.

I also think that the only thing preventing people like you from staging another Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust, or burning of heretics such as took place in the middle ages is Separation of Church and State, and that every thinking person in America should fight to their last breath to preserve that separation.

Answer 7

The world is at end...
My opinion which is what you asked for right...
we do have to have alot of tolerance to deal with the gays and abortionist, and pagans, and the people who are not following christ but we have to love them just the same thats clearly what the bible says.

Answer 8

ignorance, ignorance, ignorance........

yes, pagans are responsible for 9/11... lmao.

Did you ever think that perhaps the hatred, and the need to point a finger, and create a label rather that sit down and try to work out the world's problems and fundamental differences might be to blame for the war?

Did you ever think that maybe overt religion and overstated beliefs regardless of whether they be beliefs of god, satan, pagan gods and goddesses, Ala, Buddah, etc etc might be to blame for the secilarism and anti community hostility that is so rampant in the world today?

As a dirty filthy stinking pagan I feel that if the world could just calm the f$#% down and stop trying to find reasons to hate each other we would have a lot less problems than we face in modern society...

Answer 9

It's hard to put blame on what has happened
you do have some very good points but the idiots that attacked our country have issues of their own besides our countrys lack of faith. In fact if the U.S. was full of Christians, we would still be infidels in their eyes. It's a crazy world we live in. I think we should focus on trying to improve ourselves and help others and try not to point fingers.
One mans opinion.

Answer 10

When a nation exalts biblical righteousness they are invariably blessed. When they reject God, they will ultimately fall. This is sometimes delayed, but take an honest look at history. The answer is not religion for America. The answer is not even Judeo- Christian values from our perspective. The answer to America's problems is a land saturated by and in love with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Whether or not you believe in Christ doesn't change the fact that the Bible is true that God will do all He promises and will fulfill His warnings on a nation or people that reject Him or reinterpret the Bible to make a god in their own image so as tolive their lives however they please.