WTF is wrong with free will?

Question

When asking Christians, why we have evil, the mainstream response is- for us to have genuine free will we need “evil” to exist. Especially since that entire intelligent god would not cheat us (humans) on “free will” and we will have absolutely genuine “free will”. Since god is all-powerful he could easily stop evil and make us all happy but it would not be fair for our free will right?
Well let’s look for concept of heaven. (Let’s ignore that there was war in heaven at some time) Do we have a free will in heaven? If yes- does evil required being present to have free will? Looks like not. Since we know there is no sin or evil in heaven, and we still have free will than there is no need to have evil. (and that’s for eternity). Or may be our “free will in heaven is not a genuine one?”
If we don’t have free will in heaven for eternity than how come we can claim that “free will” is the greatest gift of god?

wow "the greatest gift God gave us was His son and our Lord Jesus and with that the love that is in Christ Jesus"
i gotta admit its hard to find more pathetic answer than this. Great parenting and greatest gift is killing the son. Cool. You go dude.

And what about those ppl who were before we got greatest gift of killing GOD's son or ( god him self in trinity?)
I guess we have to give credits to this guy church for cool brain washing.

Answer 1

We must make our choice here on earth.

Answer 2

This is an easy question. In heaven, you do have free will, but there will be no sin or evil. As a Christian, our choice is to serve God, and to do his will. Our will becomes his will. That's why in the "Our Father" prayer we say, "let your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." My will to do my Father's will. So I freely choose to do what he wants me to do. And being that heaven is a spirtual realm, Christians will no longer be subject to the "laws of the flesh" which in part is the reason why we sin. We have a sin nature in our body that struggles against the spiritual nature which tries to please God (atleast for the Christian). I look forward to the day that I am no longer subject to any sin.

You also asked:Do we have a free will in heaven? If yes- does evil required being present to have free will?

The choice of good or bad needs to exist for free will to be present in this life. Christians already have chosen to believe and live for God, so they have made their free will choice which last for eternity. You have free will in heaven like I explained already, but there will be no sin or evil.

You also asked:If we don’t have free will in heaven for eternity than how come we can claim that “free will” is the greatest gift of god?
Free will is a great gift, but it isn't the greatest. The greatest gift is the gift of salvation though Jesus. That is the greatest gift given. Free will is a choice you make here on earth in this life. The decisions you make now will lead you to your eternal destiny, heaven or hell. It's up to you, thus free will. What do you choose? :)

Answer 3

Problem is the point of view of Free Will that you posses, and other Christians possess too.

Here's a good example of Free Will:

Imagine your literal body right now was "God."
Now go cut off your finger.
Then, shave your head.
Cut some toe nails.
And wipe your butt after farting really loud.
Then brush your teeth.
And finally, skin your left arm.

Great.

All the little cells in the body kept doing the things they needed to do without you - they kept producing, they kept working, consuming, and believing in the fact that they had a happy little body to live in. Some of the cells even, decide to do be tricked by viruses, some cells decide to go shooting off inside your body to bruise other cells, and sometimes those cells are so bruised up they start reproducing so much they become what we call "cancer."

Did the toe nail, finger, arm hair, etc cells know that they were about to receive the wrath of God? No, they didn't.

But they kept going about their business without you.


That's what people mean when they say "God is everything and everywhere" - God isn't a "being in the sky" like the Christians literally say. God is everything.

There is no "person" that is God. There is no religion that can describe him because it's not a "religion" - "God" is just another way of saying "the universe as a whole and everything in existence."

Answer 4

If there was an all powerful god, and he wanted heavenly people to populate his heaven - then he would have created people that would perfectly fulfill his need. He certainly wouldn't create people that were born to be damned until they could be rescued by his "son". Otherwise, HE would seem like kind of a loon.
The fact is no one can prove without a shadow of a doubt what happens after we die - until then, people will point to the heavens and talk about how things are the "will of the lord" - just like we did before we could explain things like typhoons, earthquakes, thunderstorms. The funny thing is, the very same people who still believe in creation would be the very same people centuries ago who believed that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun orbitted around us - and prosecute anyone who believed differently.

Answer 5

We all have free will or choice when it comes to living our lives here on earth. We have the choice of whether to serve Jesus and go to heaven or serve Satan and go to hell. This ends the choice. Once you have made the choice of heaven or hell that is the end of choice. You don't have the choice of behaving or misbehaving in heaven just like you don't have the choice of behaving in hell and maybe getting time off for good behavior. You have exercised your choice by being in one place or the other.

I don't know where you got the idea that "free will" is the greatest gift of God. The gift that God gave us was Grace. The greatest gift that God gave to us was His Son Jesus Christ. I believe you need to go back and study the scriptures.

Answer 6

I am not sure where you get that there must be evil in the world to have free will choice. That being said, evil is in the world to balance good, without it how would we know just how good, good is? Free will choice, on the other hand, has nothing to do with the evil in the world, unless, by your free will and choice you choose to foolw that path rather than the path of love and good.

Your heaven therories are a little odd for me to comment on, but let me give you this, I do not believe in a Hell persay, but that should we, by our free will and choice, not learn the lessons we need to in order to pass into Heaven, we are reborn to this Earth to repeat a lifetime...so, is that Hell?

Answer 7

Whether we have free will or not in heaven (I am not commenting on this at this time) is not the greatest gift from God. The greatest gift was forgiveness throught the death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus the Chrust.

Therefore your whole question is w/o merit since the premise is flawed.

Hope this helps.

Answer 8

Who said we have free will in heaven? We don't. And the so-called 'war' in heaven is a pagan myth that has been absorbed into Christianity. There was never any war in heaven.

Answer 9

Your are confused, on many things here, but the one thing that i will correct you on is this, the greatest gift God gave us was His son and our Lord Jesus and with that the love that is in Christ Jesus, God bestowed on all of us by making us hiers to the throne of Jesus. so in short the greatest gift is Jesus and love, not free will

Answer 10

God only gave us free will on EARTH. All sin has a consequence does it not? Yes it does, it's called hell. If you're already in heaven, there's no need for sin because you can't go to hell if you're already in heaven.

Answer 11

We need evil because we put it opon our selfs and that men has caused the need for evil and because God loved us So much he died for us so that we could get a way out of eternal evil