Scientology - I don't understand?

Question

Why is it that people put down scientology based on the portrayal of OT III? Even if there was a belief in an alien reason for our misery - does that effect all the good things the church does...As a Scientologist it really pisses me of that people keep putting down my church - we provide so much help to the community and yet people still complain....

Scientology doesnt mean science -
It is a culmination of:
Scio - meaning knowledge
ology - the study of
therefore, the study of knowledge.

Answer 1

Hi Foxtel...

As a fellow Scientologist (for 35 years) I can certainly help you to understand.
The point is that people use this forum for different purposes.
It is not really meant to be a "complaints" department. There is
much confusion and "reactivity" in the area of religion.
Ultimately too many questions and not enough answers.
Attacks on religion are not a new phenomena, exclusive to the internet.
Here is a quote from an article by L.Ron Hubbard, which gives you an understanding of the bigger picture:

"A society is capable of surviving for thousands of years unless it is attacked from within or without by hostile forces. Where such an attack occurs, the primary targets are it's religious and national gods and heroes,it's potential of leadership and the self respect and integrity of it's members.
If you look around you , you will find countless examples of these points. They scream at us every day from the newspapers and TV.
Probably the most critical point of attack on a culture is it's religious experience. Where one can destroy or undermine religious institutions then the entire fabiric of the society can be quickly subverted or brought to ruin.
For the last hundred years or so religion has been beset with relentless attack. You have been told it’s the “opiate of the masses “, that it’s unscientific, that it is primitive, in short , that it is a delusion.
The source of this kind of attack is always covert and hidden. It is promoted by a few who have a vested interest in a slave society.
Unfortunately these few rely on creating fear and insecurity in others to forward and promote their enemy propaganda. These others feel correctly they have to defend themselves from an attack, but because the real enemy is hidden, they can be manipulated to attack what they really should be defending as they cannot see the real enemy.

The key here is that underneath all these attacks on organised religion there is one fundemental target:
The spirituality of man, your own basic spiritual nature, self respect and peace of mind."

My best advice to you is, don't take it personally. Just know that these "complaints" and the real source of them will fade away, and infact have done compared to our first 20 years.
But the sun never sets on Scientology.

Recommend you read Ron's Journal 34, March 13th 1982
"The Future of Scientology".
Ask your local church or mission library for a copy.

Hope this helps.

Answer 2

Well, imo, you don't understand because you won't go and look at the evidence that the Church of Scientology does some very wrong and worrying stuff.

This site is aimed at scientologists you might get on better with it rather than xenu.net and discusses things like alterations in the tech

"If you're a Scientologist or if you're interested in the technology of Scientology but have some concerns about outpoints within the Church of Scientology, this site is intended for you."
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/

Excuse the example, but it drives the point home nicely, Hitler did some good things for his country in terms of industry, doesn't make his wrong actions any better.

I'm not saying the Church never does anything good or doesn't help anyone, just that the bad far outways the good. It is the organisation I am attacking for not telling the truth, for harassing and sueing people, for committing crimes, for charging too much, for having a 'secret service' (GO then OSA), etc, etc.. The critics while don't think much of Hubbard's writings are actually all mainly being critical of the organisation the Church of Scientology, not scientology itself.

I won't go into detail foxtail, you know my stance on this (although you don't read my posts or follow my links).

I wish you the best in life, I truly do. Although we both write down personal comments from time to time, it is not you or your beliefs I am against.

Indeed I have even referred people to the FreeZone (much to my horror) when they still want to pursue Scientology once they learn the facts about the Organisation.

All I ask is you look at the evidence supplied with my arguements, you can then dismiss the evidence as unreliable or accept it shows the truth, this is scientology - confront it, do the data series on it... Hubbard actually gave you the tools to work out the CofS has many outpoints, it's just people don't apply them to the CofS.
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/outpoints.htm

I humbly ask that you return to my question, look at the Court evidence I have supplied and answer it? Why do you think the Church of Scientology lies about Xenu & Body Thetans? Do you think this is worth paying thousands for to complete the 'bridge'?

Answer 3

While I don't usually speak out against scientology, or any other organized religion. I must confess to being interested in it once. I even went in, got some books, talked to some people, and attended some meetings. I came out with a bad taste in my mouth. L. Ron Hubbard is a kook as are most of the members I met. While the basic concepts of "L" are interesting, some of the specifics are just too far out there for logic and reason. I'm still trying to figure out what "good things the church does". Don't be pissed off, people are different. If being a scientologist makes you happy and fulfilled, then so be it. Trying to defend it is only going to wear you out. I'm sure "L" would have some words of wisdom to help you reconcile people's differences in one of his nearly impossible to understand books.

'nuff said?

Answer 4

I think most people have a hard time understanding how a legitimate religion can spawn from an L. Ron Hubbard novel. It is science fiction after all.

The true teachings of Scientology are good ones - living a clean life, e.g. It's easy to focus on the negative things because they are different. Like the previous person said, we tend to ridicule things we don't understand, and there's a substantial amount of information out there about all the negative parts of the religion. Perhaps with a little more P.R. the good side could be exposed. I know I'd like to read about it.

Answer 5

If you feel that strongly you should blog something where you can espouse your faith. The reality is, people don't like what is unfamiliar to them and Mr Cruise has done nothing but make a huge black eye for the Scientology religion. All of his antics, and ravings, couch jumping and criticizing has only served to prove to the average person that Scientology is a cult that makes people very, very strange. We don't know the good things your church does because Tom has taken every opportunity in the last 5 years to shine the Scientology light on HIM not the religion.

Answer 6

It's a pyramid scheme that's why.

Tom Cruise spends alot of his money promoting Scientology trying to get his waxed wings.

Scientology as EST was in the 70's in that it attracts many troubled people and convinces them that by recruiting others to the organization that they will be enlightened. It is an emotional and mental health pyramid scheme.

You can find people who will believe anything, for their own purposes, having nothing to do with truth. The placebo effect is alive and well in Scientology.

Answer 7

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Answer 8

I agree. Most of the stuff said are comparable to becoming a cardinal in the catholic church. As if that has anything to do with someone just going there for guidance. "dont walk in and talk to them or you will have to give up all your money and all normal life". As if the person is going to try and become a cardinal. Its the same with scientology. I got a ton of good from a couple of their courses many years ago.

Answer 9

I'm actually very curious about scientology......
Rich people have nothing better to do and if they want real answers why are they going to this church....
It makes me wonder what they know and not telling us about the aliens.
I'm cool with the religion. Intrigues me

Answer 10

I'm not sure what Scientology believes, but Tom Cruise is a good actor don't be a hater because you don't like a person's religion.