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Agnostic here asking question, not wanting to convert anyone to a religion,

This answer was just given to a previous question of mine:

Evolution is not a science. Science has equal views on evolution and creationism. Neither has been proven and the science community supports neither.
Read a book.

So my question is,
1. What is the scientific view on creationism?
2. Is creationism a scientific theory that has the ability to be falsified?
3. What scientific facts support the creationism view?
4. Since the creationism view is that of a God as creator, what empirical evidence exists that would lead me to see God's existence?
5. What book should I read?

Question for evolutionists specifically . . .
6. Is this just putting to much attention to the non-evolutionist, or is this list of questions valid to show the failure of saying that science has an equal view of creationism as it does evolution?

Answer 1

I think you have the patience of a saint to constantly sift through and refute these people.

I'm only going to answer question No.6 as others have answered the others well, and the creationists will simply not listen to or accept the evidence.

However, in response to No.6 it is important that these idiots who know nothing about science are refuted in their lies about science. This creationist cult is a serious threat to academic freedom and scientific progress in America, simply because of the political power of this lobby. It will never be counterproductive to fight them.

Recent editorials in the journal Nature have made the same point - scientists have for too long stood aloof while their science is trampled upon. The truth needs to be stated, and it needs to be stated clearly, despite the fact that it is a tiresome, uphill struggle.

Good for you.

Answer 2

> Evolution is not a science
Evolution is a scientific theory.

> Science has equal views on evolution and creationism
No it doesn't. Evolution is a scientific theory. Creationism is speculative fantasy.

> the science community supports neither
The scientific community supports evolution.

> Read a book
I did. It's called
Darwin's Black Box
by Michael Behe.
I recommend it to you. His conclusions are wrong, but it'll make you think. Thinking isn't necessarily a bad thing.

> 1. What is the scientific view on creationism?
Creationism is speculative fantasy.

> 2. Is creationism a scientific theory that has the ability to be falsified?
No. It's speculation. It can be falsified or confirmed only if The Lord appears one day, proves that He is indeed The Lord, and tells us whether or not he Created.

> 3. What scientific facts support the creationism view?
None whatsoever.

4. Since the creationism view is that of a God as creator, what empirical evidence exists that would lead me to see God's existence?
None whatsoever.

5. What book should I read?
Darwin's Black Box
by Michael Behe.
I recommend it to you. His conclusions are wrong, but it'll make you think. Thinking isn't necessarily a bad thing.

> 6. Is this just putting to much attention to the non-evolutionist, or is this list of questions valid to show the failure of saying that science has an equal view of creationism as it does evolution?
Ask what you like.

Answer 3

Science is based on the scientific method: 1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena; 2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation; 3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations; 4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.

Creationism is not science, nor looked on as science by any credible scientist who are recognized by their peers, because it does not follow this method. Creationism starts with a doctrine. It then tries to formulate a theory which is basically just an attempt to explain observed reality in a way that conforms to their doctrine. There is no attempt to test their theory or hypothesis because there is no intention of proving or disproving anything.

There is no need for creationism from either a scientific or a religious perspective. Only people with a very simplistic perspective on their faith (i.e. a literal interpretation of scriptures intended to be allegorical -- this is why parables are told, to convey a truth or moral, not to be believed word for word).

I am a man of faith who believes in God, the creator of all things. However, the theory of evolution (which is scientific theory supported by a vast body of evidence including DNA evidence, the extensive fossil record and observed changes in both wild and domesticated species over many generations) is merely the discovery of how God's universe works and the methods he used in creating it. This is not meant as a defense of what is being called "intelligent design", which is merely creationism dressed up in its Sunday best.

An atheist and a deist can both accept the theory of evolution without conflict between their views. They can both respect the scientific evidence supporting the theory. That the atheist sees this as merely the result of a cause and effect universe while the deist sees it as the miraculous workings of God doesn't change the theory of evolution one bit.

Evolution is not an attempt to define the original cause of the universe nor to answer all questions. It is merely a theory for explaining the observed changes and adaptation living things make and have made in order to survive.

All the big questions, which can only be answered by a belief system (or non-belief system), the questions of why and what does it mean, are dependent on faith or the choice not to have faith. They cannot be proven or disproven by human science.

Answer 4

1. There is no qualified scientific view on creationism.
2. It is not a scientific theory at all.. science can be proved true or false, creationism is merely a belief.
3. None that i know of.
4. There is no empirical evidence.
5. Both theology and science - it is the only way to get a truly accurate view.

6. It puts attention on the non-evolutionist but why should it matter to them when they bring attention to themselves on the same subject.

Answer 5

Science works on the principle of cause and effect.
Nothing can happen with out sufficient cause to bring it about.
When science looks at the universe and tries to understand where it all came from, it can't get an answer.
We can work it all out to a few instants before the "Big Bang"
but have no way to go further.
We get an effect (the universe is created) but no cause (what force caused it to come into existence)
It's a problem.
There is also the question on why dose the universe exhibit the proprieties it dose? IE the laws of physics, the periodic table,etc....
There is a huge question as to why science its self works, Why cause and effect?
If the universe was born of chaos then science would be unknowable. Up would be just as valid as down etc...
No substance, no contrast. The universe would be unknowable.
The fact is that the universe appears to be very deliberate, very structured.
The mechanism of Science its self as a valid way to decipher knowledge is pointing to the concept of a designer. For without structure, science wouldn't be able to function.

Answer 6

Evolution is not just something that Scientists study as an esoteric enterprise.

In Scientists understanding of genetics.Where people have found a gene they think is involved in speciation, They can now go and look how it has evolved into different species, because they've got the genomes of all these species available.

Example initial sequence of the chimpanzee genome and comparison with the human genome.

Answer 7

1) creationism is not scientific, because it cannot be tested
2) the reason it can't be tested is because it can't be falsified (see Karl Popper)
3,4) because of 1 and 2, there are no "scientific facts" of creationism, or any empirical facts.


6) it's fun to laugh at creationists, so go for it!

Answer 8

there is no scientific proof that evolution is true

evolutionists believe that the world is millions maybe billions of years old... but scientists have proven that the earth is in fact less than 10,000 years old

there is no real evidence that we evolved from apes... plus if we did why are there still apes?
there is also no actual proof of a missing link

both views take faith to believe in them

oh and as for what book.. try the bible its 100% true

Answer 9

Read Pierre Teilhard Desjardins

Answer 10

Someone really answered with THAT load of BS?
Oh the education system REALLY has a lot to answer for.
Imagine being that ill-educated or that ignorant in this day and age...