Sometimes people ridicule the idea that the universe (and particularly living organisms) could exist without a creator, citing the order and complexity thereof as being impossible to exist without a creator, but they then source that order and complexity in a god who himself exists without a creator. How is it possible to reconcile this contradiction? If order and complexity cannot exist uncreated then a designer who imparted that order and complexity to the universe cannot exist uncreated either.
2006-08-09 22:30:43 · 7 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
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2006-08-09 23:11:39 · update #1
St Thomas Aquinas' first mover argument is one of the most discredited arguments in favour of the existence of God in history.
As you point out, it is contrary to even elementary logic and is widely rejected by academic theologists (most of whom are christian), not just atheists and agnostics.
However, that doesn't stop it being repeatedly quoted here on Y!Answers... If the universe needs a creator, then so does God. If God doesn't need a creator then neither does the universe. You can't concoct a rule and then arbitrarily define exceptions to it.
2006-08-09 22:40:37 · answer #1 · answered by the last ninja 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋
This is a difficult question. It's one most logically-minded people encounter. I'm not a Christian. I am spiritual. I do believe that it wasn't mere chance that we ended up the way we are.
The Big Bang Theory - currently the most likely theory involving the creation of the universe, begins with the universe coming into being from a very dense, hot state. Thus far, I have not read any theories on what cause the Big Bang itself - where did this dense, hot state come from? Did this dense, hot matter come from nowhere? Was it always there?
If it was always there... and nothing created it, then why can't a creator god have just always been there? You can't get something out of nothing. There had to be something - some friction, some dense, hot matter that exploded into the universe as we know it today. What created that? Where did it come from?
It's the same argument. You can loop back on yourself a dozen times. /Something/ had to have always been there. Whether it's a creator god, energy, or a just some dense, hot material that... was just always there, /something/ had to exist before the Big Bang.
Because likely we'll never know which two particles rubbed the wrong way, or whether some creator that's infinate and unfathomable, I choose to believe what seems to me the most logical: something infinate and unfathomable was in charge of the first stirrings of the universe the way we know it. Makes more sense than the "something came out of nothing" theory to me. Maybe it doesn't resonate as well with you. I don't really care.
We're here. That's really what matters to me.
Perhaps we're all missing a piece of this puzzle.
2006-08-10 08:33:16 · answer #2 · answered by Katia 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
ALL our puny brains combined has a limited capacity and you've reached that capacity. You can not possibly expect a thing so complex as to be fathomed merely by a human brain.Some things in this universe can NEVER be explained in human terminology.These mysteries will forever remains a mystery..Its what makes life worth living.
2006-08-10 06:37:02 · answer #3 · answered by cellm8te 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
because i have no other way to contact you i decided to leave an answer here...
regaurding your question...
where do you live under a rock?
women have a choice to do what they want
where did you hear that from?
you need to go right to the source when u ask people
you cant ask a christian about why muslim women wear scarfs,
its ignorant people like you who really drive me crazy
2006-08-10 06:02:23 · answer #4 · answered by oh ya 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Because I accept my finite ability to ponder a question of the necessity for a creator to have a creator.
2006-08-10 05:37:03 · answer #5 · answered by Tuna-San 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
I think the answer to that is the one answer that divides the religious from the logical universaly.
Faith.
The ability to believe that their are questions that don't have an answer, or are not supposed to be answered.
Religious people have that faith, we logical people don't.
Thats my idea.
2006-08-10 05:39:30 · answer #6 · answered by D@rKn3ss Fa771n& 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yawn. I'm getting sleepy, this is so old and boring...
2006-08-10 05:37:49 · answer #7 · answered by Adyghe Ha'Yapheh-Phiyah 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋