i heard on the radio that a local woman was facing excommunication?

Question

previously i asked about the teachings of the catholic church and its views of Protestants and heaven. the answer i got was that Protestant do not walk in the fullness of Christ and therefore will not enter heaven(according to catholic teachings).

according to catholic teachings does the logic i put forth make sense.
you must be catholic to gain entry to heaven. excommunication was started by a pope. excommunication removes someone from the catholic church. . only god has the right to judge us.

therefore by removing a person from the catholic church we are condemning that person to hell, andare not bbeing "christlike"

therefore the pope is fallible and not infallible

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=excommunication+waukesha+bishops&rs=0&fr2=rs-top&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t400&gos=2
i am not saying this woman is right. i am trying to debait this pollicy

why have no prist been excommunicated for the acts they preformed on boys

Answer 1

The woman is fully within her rights to believe as she chooses however as a Catholic you either except all that our Church teaches or you have placed your self outside of it. One can be excommunicated and be forgiven and reimbraced within the faith.

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ419.HTM
Yes, non-Catholics can go to Heaven. This is what the Church teaches:



“819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of
truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic
Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope,
and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well
as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and
ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives
from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the
Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to
him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."

Catechism of the Catholic Church

Answer 2

Ordaining women as Catholic priests would be the equivalent of forcing Protestants to admit the Bible is wrong.

It's totally incompatible with the Catholic faith.

I'm not going to explain all the reasons why, as that would take much too long. Take my word for it. For Catholics, it's just wrong.

Furthermore, everyone has been on notice for years, that this subject is completely off limits, even for discussion.

The women who recently ordained themselves (and I use the term very loosely here) had no authority to do it, they knew they had no authority to do it, and they went ahead and did it anyway, just to ruffle some feathers and get their names in the news.

The church didn't excommunicate all of them (yet) either, and perhaps it may not. It all depends on how they respond to correction from their local bishop(s).

If these women want to be priests, they need to become Anglican, or Episcopalian, or something else. Not Catholic.

Excommunication in this case, is simply a confirmation by church authorities that what these women did was serious enough to separate themselves from the Catholic church.

They knew it going in. They're adults. Actions have consequences. They can join some other church that's more to their liking.

Regarding Protestants getting into heaven ...

Everybody knows that St. Peter has the keys to the pearly gates, and everybody knows that Protestants don't recognize St. Peter as pope.

There's a conflict here.

ONLY THE POPE has the power of the keys, yet Protestants persist in denying St. Peter's authority.

They even persist in calling St. Peter " little stone" instead of rightfully calling him "the Rock" as Jesus, and all his friends knew him to be.

Protestants also tend to feel that if anybody should be pope, it ought to be St. Paul, because St. Paul wrote more of the New Testament than St. Peter did.

St. Peter has been putting up with this type of disrespect for the last 500 years, or so. If YOU were St. Peter, and a Protestant showed up at the pearly gates, asking to come in, what would YOU DO?

(Insert punchline of joke here ....)

Seriously now, the Catholic church officially teaches that others, even non-Christians, may possibly be admitted to heaven. The church leaves it up to God to judge.

To sum everything up, here's the facts:

1) Those women acted recklessly and selfishly. They knew they would probably be excommuncated. If they are, they can join some other faith community. Whether or not they end up in hell is up to God, not the pope.

2) Non Catholics MAY be able enter heaven. God is the judge.

3) The pope IS infallible under certain, very tightly controlled circumstances. So far, in the entire 2000+ year history of the Catholic church, the pope has spoken infallibly TWICE!

4) Protestants should start working on their own personal strategy for dealing with St. Peter when they ultimately present themselves for admittance to heaven. Purgatory, that other place Protestants don't believe in, may just turn out to be St. Peter's waiting room!

(I might be kidding about number 4 ...)

Answer 3

The Pope is a man.
He is fallible.
It was said by one of the Popes that the sun revolved around the earth, he had the scientist imprisoned who said that the earth rotated around the sun.
This proves that the Pope is fallible.
As for excommunication- that worked on the ignorant years ago. It no longer holds water.
Besides if excommunicated in this town move to another town and no one knows about it.
No man has the power to condemn a person to hell.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

Strange that the Cult would publicize an excommunication. Usually that is done""in house"".

I am an Ex catholic and have posed My Story... much static from local Cult clergy.

They are very protective of their BUSINESS and go frantic when told they teach ""Another Gospel"".

Answer 6

That is NOT Catholic teaching. Here is proof right from the official Catechism of the Catholic Church, which proves just the opposite:

Part 1, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 9, Paragraph 3, SubSection 1, Heading 2

817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame." 269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism 270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers. 271

Part 1, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 9, Paragraph 3, SubSection 1, Heading 2

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers .... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church." 272

Part 1, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 9, Paragraph 3, SubSection 1, Heading 2

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" 273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." 274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, 275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity." 27
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Excommunication is usually reserved for theologians or bishops who refuse to refuse to stop preaching errors. It is found in the bible. Jesus said "If you hand (part of the Body) causes you to sin, cut it off..." St. Paul said to hand over a persons body over to Satan who refuses to stop teaching error. That is excommunication.

Excommunication is a medicinal remedy, sort of a spiritual chemotherapy. Its purpose is not to reduce the population of the Church by one but to bring a confused soul back to his senses. When applied against a public figure, excommunication can be good for him and good for the public—even good for the Church as a whole, since many people will want to join an institution that is strong in its principles and does not seem to mind taking flak.
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The infallibility of the pope is not a doctrine that suddenly appeared in Church teaching; rather, it is a doctrine which was implicit in the early Church. It is only our understanding of infallibility which has developed and been more clearly understood over time. In fact, the doctrine of infallibility is implicit in these Petrine texts: John 21:15–17 ("Feed my sheep . . . "), Luke 22:32 ("I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail"), and Matthew 16:18 ("You are Peter . . . ").

Answer 7

This is your great'grandfather's Catholic Church, up to old tricks in a new milennium.

Pope John XXIII, who set up Vatican II, started the path toward women's ordination with girls being allowed to serve altar as the first step. I believe it would now be a reality if he had lived . . . .this is why some institutions can outlive their usefulness and begin to do more harm than good.

Answer 8

Catholics have been very leary to excommunicate in ages. Just like they don't do Crusades or Inqizitions or Witch Burnings.

That Catholic church as it is known today is an evolution of a concept by Constatine that was designed to build a political power base and it worked from 3AD to 1500.

The Catholic church blew it on two major fronts. With Henry and Luther.

At that point the Catholic Empire spread from Italy up into parts of Scandianvia. Every king had to kiss the ring of the Pope and pay monetary tribute.

Had the Catholic Church granted Henry an annulment, which do do at times, and had they not gone after Luther, most of the Western World would be Catholics today.

As a result of their heavy handed, excommunication, chop off his head and burn him at the stake (which they wanted to do the Luther) policy, the princes in Germany, France, Austria and other places saw an opportunity to water down the power of the Church and possibly even drive it into the ground.

The Princes gave undeground support to Luther and let him do his thing to see if he could pull it off and he did, and Calvin in France and England also did and Smith in Scandinavia did and before the Pope knew what was happening England, Frace, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark and Finland were becoming Protestant and abandoning the Catholic Religion.

Now the Kings of those countries could refuse Tribute to Rome. They had a new religion to hide behind.

What was Luther's big bone? The Pope was allowing rich people to PAY in advance for sinning. I intend to go out and have a whore behind my wife's back, I will give you $1,000 absolve me and the church was doing this.

No confessions. No pennace. Just gold. Gold so they could go out and have fun.

When Luther heard about this, he flamed!

What was the bone with Henry, not giving him an Anulment so he could get a wife who would make boy babies.

This was the Stupidity of the Catholic church that cost them 1 billion follower today.

The only countries controlled anymore are Italy and South America, one Western nation and a big third world contintent.

Europe and America are only 25 - 50% Catholic today outside of Italy and Spain.

The Catholic church is now reconcilling differences with the Protestant sects, largely because of a new meance called Islam that is as big as both the Protestants and the Catholics combined.

And Islam wants world domination.

As a result the Catholics have become very mellow and progressive. To gain new converts they switched from Latin to the country language of origin.

To gain new converts they put Catholic bibles in the hands of eveyrone (it used to be only the priests who had the bible, not the people in the pews).

Their ranks and dwindling, the amount of men wanting to become Priests is shrinking so they are lienent on homosexual priests.

Watch for the day to come when they start allow select priests to get married, but they will be told they can never become Bishops, Cardinals or Popes. They may also not be the head of the local church, but a relief pitcher.

About the ONLY way a woman can possibly be excommunicated is if she were a Nun and she founded her own Church and starte Preaching and callit it a Roman Catholic Church and then the Pope would call her back to Rome, fix her up with a shrink, hide her away nad hope she'd reform.

If she refused to do that, she could face excommunication.

Almost anything else any woman could do, would simply be grounds for a visit to the confessional and pennace.

In today's liberal world the right Catholic with the right PR who gets excommunicated could do the same kind of damage that Luther did. They could convert a whole country like El Salvidor to a Reformed Catholic Religion where Priests could marry, birth control could be allowed and women could be made leaders.

Imagine what something like that could do to Rome. Imagine if they took 10 or 25% of a given countries flock away.

The Greeks, Russians and Romainians did it with their Orthodox Churches, which are Not affilaited with Rome but are heavily based on Constantine. They are somewhere between the Catholics and Lutherans. Preists can marry, liturgy has been done in national language since 5 or 8 AD. They celbrate Easter on a different date (closer to the Jewish PAssover).

To survive the coming Muslim crusade, which is now begun, the Catholic church cannot afford to alientate their own ranks NOR the Protestants NOR for that matter the Communist Chinese who would also be an ally in this crusade as 25% of China is Muslim and the Muslims want Tibet and China don't want to let it go.

If there is an excommunication, it's a small fry and not even worth noting. It's certainly not a rebel Nun trying to start a ministry or abortion clinic.

The Vatican would never allow that to go that far. Not into a PR war.

The Vatican is a worried power base that is now looking to Apease the Episcopals (Church of England), the Orthodox (Eastern), the Proestants, the Jews and the Chinese.

Once upon a time the Pope could raise an army from each nation and did!

The demanded it from Briton, Germany, France and others. Today they can't demand. They must play world politics and they are still a leader in that field, far more than the splintered Protestants who never developed a united power base to any degree.

To say one religion is closer to JEsus than anyother is just propaganda. Every religion can say the same thing and prove it with the Bible. Let us also not forget that the Baptist faith, headed by John the Baptist, who Baptised Jesus, can claim Jesus as their convert and some Baptists don't consider themselves Christian nor Protestant, but a religion that is older than either! A Religion Jesus was Baptized into!

The Roman Catholics (named such by England in the 1800s) were originally a series of small relgious cells or churchs propageated by Peter, John and eventually Paul from Gentiles and Pagans, but all three of those men were killed, but the churches reamined and were gatherthered into a power base by Constantine who finance it and drove it politically from within.

Eventually some Popes made editics, such as Priests could not marry (orginally they could) and this alienated other orthodox relgions such as the Greeks who didn't want to go along with it.

I guess they are excommunicated, but they don't care one way or another.

Neither do the Russians or Romanians.

They haven't given a hoot what Rome says since aobut 7 AD

Over the centuries Rome has learned from mistakes and tries not to alienate anymore.

It looses them flocks, who go to other religions where the people in the pews feel safer.

The Catholics will not agree with this, altough the Vatican will admit many of the things I say are basically correct, but not quite way I put it.

You can research it yourself. Start with Constatine.

Then go back with the fomation of the cells which is found in all the Biblical writings of Paul and Peter Corinthains, Romans, Thessoliaians, etc.

Then look at the Greek and Russian Orthodox movement.

Finally look at what King Henry VIII, Calvin and Luther did.

You will see the true FALL of the ROMAN EMPIRE, which fell apart just like the British Empire did in the last century.

Answer 9

most of catholic doctrin is man made to reap profit.you wont need to worry about the catholic church in heaven or on earth when the great and fear inspiring day of Jehovah Comes.

Answer 10

i have never thought about it, but after seeing the 2nd answer on here i am going to have to go with him. i am assuming catholics think Christ is in heaven... he's a Jew so how do they explain that? Good point c13reasons. You deserve best answer for sure.