If Jesus NEVER sinned, then he couldn't have been at all human. Why do christians say that he was human then?

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Ah, another contradiciton.
Christians say that Jesus was the HUMAN manifestation of god on earth. That means he was a HUMAN even if he had magic powers. If he was a HUMAN than he did things wrong, or as you say - he sinned.
So are you going to pretend that he was completely flawless and never did anything wrong?
If that's the case, then he wasn't a human, he would have to be some sort of magical creature.
And if so, why was he bound by human rules?
How would the Romans have been able to kill him like they would a human?
Why did he need to eat and drink?

Answer 1

One better, we are to believe that Jesus dying on the cross fulfilled the requirements of a blood sacrifice.

There are a number of requirements for a sacrifice to be valid or it is completely disqualified and will be an abomination to G-d. These requirements are as follows:

1. The sin offering must be brought forth by the person seeking atonement, and slaughtered either by the sinner or by the priest.
2. Death must be caused by a sharp, perfect blade cutting across the neck, resulting in blood loss and swift death.
3. The offering must be physically unblemished.
4. In the case of mammal offerings (bulls, lambs, etc.) the offering must be less than one year old.
5. In the case of mammal offerings, the mammal must have cloven hooves and chew cud.
6. The sacrifice must be brought at the Temple
7. The sacrifice must have its blood taken by a priest and sprinkled on the altar.
8. The sacrifice must be salted.

Since Jesus did not fulfill even one of the eight precepts listed above, it's clear that his death could not be the atoning sacrifice Christians claim it is.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your G-d which I command you. (KJV)

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. (KJV)

Twice we see a prohibition of going against the Torah’s precepts. This should tell you it’s an important law to follow. Does G-d desire human sacrifice?

Deuteronomy 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy G-d: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (KJV)

So, we see just how highly the Almighty thinks of human sacrifice.

The New Testament quoted the following Psalm:

Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. (KJV)

This Psalm carries an important message. Coupled with other verses from throughout the Bible, we learn that while G-d does place an importance on blood sacrifice, He puts more importance on penitence and the resolve to do better. This Psalm presented a theological problem for the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews:

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [6] In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure. (KJV)

How does "mine ears hast thou opened" change to "but a body hast thou prepared me?" This is not the only time one will come across this kind of behavior went into the penning of the Epistle to the Hebrews, and the entire New Testament for that matter. How are we to trust a document that exhibits this sort of behavior?

Christian apologists will argue that Jesus was unblemished of sin. To be frank, this dogma genuinely frightens me. This is the logic that pagan societies used in offering up their children in human sacrifices -- they reasoned that their children were sinless.

The Diaspora was prophesied, such as in this passage:

Hosea 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim: [5] Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their G-d, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days. (KJV)

Now, when we see this, a Christian will try to fix this into a problem for the Jews, saying, "but without blood sacrifice, how do you receive atonement for your sins?" After all, you have this verse below:

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (KJV)

With this verse, the author successfully placed the new Christian theology outside of Judaism, because this in no way is a Jewish concept. Nowhere in the Jewish Scriptures do you find the message that without blood there is no remission. Time and time again, the prophets preached repentence and obedience, placing these things above sacrifice.

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams. (KJV)

Given how often this theme is given (such as in the Psalm quoted above) the Christian position of there being no atonement without blood becomes a little puzzling. Hosea also gave a startling message that prayer can take the place of sacrifices:

Hosea 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. [2] Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive [us] graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips. (KJV)

Now, given the language that KJV used in its translation, this is likely rather confusing. For that reason, let us use the American Standard Version's translation:

Hosea 14:1 O Israel, return unto J---vah thy G-d; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. [2] Take with you words, and return unto J---vah: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and accept that which is good: so will we render [as] bullocks [the offering of] our lips. (ASV)

So, the prophet is telling us that prayer can substitute for sacrifice. Surely, this creates a dilemma for Christian theology, so let's see how they deal with this:

Hosea 14:1 Return, O Israel, to the Lord your G-d, For you have stumbled because of your iniquity. [2] Take words with you and return to the Lord. Say to Him, "Take away all iniquity And receive us graciously, That we may present the fruit of our lips. (NAS)

So, we see that Christian Bible translators will resort to word changing. Are we to trust a translation that exhibits this sort of behavior?

For those who still believe that without blood, there is no atonement, think about the Babylonian Exile. The Jews committed sins that caused the first Temple to be destroyed and the citizenry to be exiled from the land of Israel. Do you really think that G-d would punish us for our sins in such a manner as which we would be unable to atone for them? G-d wouldn't set us up to fall forever into a pit.

Answer 2

Jesus was completely man and completely God. That is not explainable to an unbeliever.

He was human in that He was born of a human mother.

Luk 1:31 Now listen: You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will call His name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
Luk 1:33 He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.
Luk 1:34 Mary asked the angel, "How can this be, since I have not been intimate with a man?"
Luk 1:35 The angel replied to her: The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the holy One to be born will be called the Son of God.
Luk 1:36 And consider your relative Elizabeth--even she has conceived a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren.
Luk 1:37 For nothing will be impossible with God."

He did not have "magic powers". His miracles were derived through the power of the Holy Spirit as God the Father ordained.

Joh 5:19 Then Jesus replied, "I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does these things in the same way.

He CHOSE to live a perfect and sinless life SO THAT He could be the perfect sacrifice for our sins. That was God the Father's express purpose in sending Him to us.

See more here: http://www.standontherock.org/grace.html

Answer 3

I'm not going to pretend anything. Jesus didn't perform "magic", he performed miracles with the help of God. He lost his temper with those who were selling items in the temple. He walked on earth as a human, but he was always the Son of God. You have a huge misunderstanding of the Bible - perhaps you should read it before you judge it's words.

I have a question for you. If you are not a Christian, then why are you so worried about the Christian beliefs? You believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Religion is faith-based, so you cannot prove it wrong.

Answer 4

Ah, not so! Jesus blood was from the Virgin. His blood He sacrificed for your and my sins. Hypostatic Union is the total combination of both God and man. This is who Jesus was. God limited himself to take our nature fully and completely as sacrifice for our offenses against God the Father. He promised that He would eventually forgive our sinfulness and did this through His Son, who would be tempted but never falter.

He knew our sins, and knew the effects of our sins even though he did not sin. Just because I resist the temptation to sin does not mean I am not human. Jesus simply resisted better and more completely than any other human has ever resisted, because He is superior to Satan.

The Romans, the Jews, and each of us to this day killed Jesus through our sinfulness. As far as eating and drinking Jesus was human so He did enjoy the attributes of His creation. Everything He did while on earth was a "teaching moment"! Everything!

Answer 5

You are taking the lies of Satan and trying to make a valid point of his lies. It was Satan that said you could not live a life without sin, or breaking one of God's laws. That was his accusation, the same as you are saying now. Where does it ever say that you HAVE to sin to be human? Just because you choose to sin does not mean you have to do it. Could you not just as easily choose not to do it? To have a human body means you get hungry and thirsty. That why Jesus ate and drank. The Romans could not kill Jesus but he gave his life for us so we would not have to die the second death. A human is to be bound by human rules or why be human at all? If a human could not keep all ten of God's commands, it would prove Satan correct, that you HAD to sin if you were human, that Gods commands could not be kept. So Jesus had to put aside His Heavenly power and take the form of man to prove that His law could be kept with only human power, which He did. He could not use His supernatural power to overcome temptation or it would have proven Satan correct too. He had to do it as a man, a human. That does not mean He could not heal people or do good. As He said, even we can have that power if we just choose Him. I don't have to pretend anything as there is a record of His life both in the bible and in historical records that say He never committed any sin. Nowhere do you ever find that He ever sinned or that you have to sin to be human. Believe Satan if you will but for me and my household, I believe the truth.

Answer 6

He was born without the sin nature. He was born of a virgin, conceived of the Holy Spirit. He was like the first Adam before the fall. In order for Him to be victorious over death & hell He had to be sinless. So, He had to be tempted like the first Adam. He was tempted when the Spirit led Him into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil, that old snake. Jesus overcame the snake's deceptions. He was / is the spotless Lamb of God.

Prophecied in Genesis was that the seed of the Woman would squish the snakes head. Jesus did that when He died on the cross for the remission of our sins (not his) & rose from the dead victorious with the keys to death & hell. The wages of sin is death. Death could not keep him in the grave. The gift of God, through faith, is eternal life.

Sin is going against God's purpose. Jesus never did anything against the Father.

Answer 7

Jesus WAS human, he wore a diaper, went to school, played with his friends. That was the point, he lived as a human.

I'm not sure whether this would be considered a sin or not, but Jesus lost his temper when he saw people selling their wares in the Temple and he tossed the tables over and ordered them out.

I have not studied the Bible in depth enough to be able to tell you He never sinned.

Answer 8

Jesus was man. True. But he was also God. Therein lies the solution to your problem. Jesus was concieved by a human female (Mary) and God the Spirit. Jesus had to be born of the virgin Mary to become human, but if he was not God and had been able to sin. Then his death on the cross would mean absolutly nothing and it would also mean the humanity would still be condemed to eternal punishment in Hell. Jesus was the God-Man

Answer 9

As Jesus the son of God, this means he was perfect here on earth. He did all the things humans did as well like eat, drink, and pray because he was walking with them and he needed to show the people that they needed to repent in order to go to Heaven.

Answer 10

Jesus was human but ahuman who was a messenger of God.
Messengers of God are innocent they dont sin.Jesus was no magical creature,whatever powers he had were a gift from God.Jesus loved God and this love made him obey Him,and when u bow to God U dont sin.He was human,so he needed to eat and drink,Heas a human, had to act like one.The Romans did not kill him ,he was raised by GOD to heavensand the Romans ended up killing one of their own ,who resembled Jesus.All this is written in the Holy Quran .It is God,s latest edition sent on earthto another of HIS messenger.Jesus is not dead and is going to return.,written both in Bible andthe Holy Quran. Moreover God hates magic and hates those who do magic,so He cant givemagical powers to His beloved messenger.

Answer 11

He never has sinned and never will sin! He only came in the form of a human and just because of that dosent mean that he isint still Jesus! Maybe if you would study the Bible you might actually know what you are talking about!