So Atheist if christians are so dumb??

Question

Why was the founders of America Christians.?Thomas Jeffereson, and George Washington some of the brigthest men were christians. And how about William Shakespeare is he a fool too?

The human mind is incapable of creating things that don't exist. Yes that means you can't create a new color. Now you can manipulate what already exist. Like I can make a kanagroo with wings, and horns. I'm just combining what already exists. It is impossible for man to come up with this idea of God, if it didn't already exist. Yes your going to say,, well God is just a man. Or man looked for some explanation. I Know God is supernatural a spirit. Nobody has seen him, but we know he's there.

The common argument seems to be that If I believe in the tooth fairy you should to. As if thats your basis for not believing in Christianity. Well you shouldn't believe anything unless there some substancial evidence. Prophecies written in scripture were wrote many years b4 Christ was born.

Jesus Christ rose from the dead, and was seen by many witnesses. If he indeed rose from the dead, would that be a good reason to believe he is supernatural. I don't doubt that the civil war happend, do you? Yet you don't want to believe this happened.. Time was measured from jesus birth. 2 holidays celebrate this man, yet you act as if he did nothing.

Unicorn-is merlely a horse with a horn..You are taking what exist arleady and manipulting. The idea of God is entiery diffent nothing like it. Got it

First off,,I'm not saying Atheist are dumb,, most are very bright,,but whenever people make claim that christains seem to lack ntelligence then I have a prblm.

No witnesses to Jesus Death...There were many witnesses. Over 200 people have seen Jesus after his ressurection.

Answer 1

"It is impossible to exaggerate the importance of the coming of Christianity. It brought with it, for one thing, an altogether new sense of human life. For the Greeks had shown man his mind; but the Christians showed him his soul. They taught that in the sight of God, all souls were equal, that every human life was sacrosanct and inviolate. Where the Greeks had identified the beautiful and the good, had thought ugliness to be bad, had shrunk from disease and imperfection and from everything misshapen, horrible, and repulsive, the Christian sought out the diseased, the crippled, the mutilated, to give them help. Love, for the ancient Greek, was never quite distinguished from Venus. For the Christians held that God was love, it took on deep overtones of sacrifice and compassion." - R. R. Palmer (standard college history text)

"The history of Christianity is inseparable from the history of Western culture and of Western society. For almost a score of centuries Christian beliefs, principles, and ideals have colored the thoughts and feelings of Western man. The traditions and practices have left an indelible impress not only on developments of purely religious interest, but on virtually the total endeavor of man. This has been manifest in art and literature, science and law, politics and economics, and, as well, in love and war. Indeed, the indirect and unconscious influence Christianity has often exercised in avowedly secular matters--social, intellectual, and institutional--affords striking proof of the dynamic forces that have been generated by the faith over the millenniums. Even those who have contested its claims and rejected its tenets have been affected by what they opposed. Whatever our beliefs, all of us today are inevitable heirs to this abundant legacy; and it is impossible to understand the cultural heritage that sustains and conditions our lives without considering the contributions of Christianity."

"Since the death of Christ, his followers have known vicissitudes as well as glory and authority. The Christian religion has suffered periods of persecution and critical divisions within its own ranks. It has been the cause and the victim of war and strife. It has assumed forms of astonishing variety. It has been confronted by revolutionary changes in human and social outlooks and subjected to searching criticism. The culture of our own time, indeed, has been termed the most completely secularized form of culture the world has ever known. We live in what some have called the post-Christian age. Yet wherever we turn to enrich our lives, we continue to encounter the lasting historical realities of Christian experience and tradition."{7}

In contrast to the Christian system, modern materialistic philosophies do not provide a strong basis for reform. Humanism is, in effect, a philosophic smuggler; it has borrowed the "dignity of man" from Christian precepts and has not bothered to say, "Thank you."

Answer 2

Most of the significant Founders of America were Deists and Agnostics.

Don't forget the Jefferson Bible, now...

As for your argument that god must have been planted in our minds... it's false.

Humans are capable of conceiving of things they've perceived by the senses and extrapolations of these sensory perceptions. The conception of a God is about on the same level as a square circle, a mere proposition and no understanding of internal structure and sensory association. The only things we use in defining a god are eternal nature and perfection, both of which can be extrapolated from anything that is temporary and imperfect.

Thus the idea of deities is mere extrapolation from the temporal and imperfect of something that is eternal and perfect.

Messiah claims exist in the OT, however Christ does not fit those requirements and in fact many of them are asserted to occur in the second coming of Jesus, without any basis in scripture for why they didn't happen in the first coming.

That's why the Jews don't see Christ as messiah.

EDIT: I wonder why early america had to borrow so much from the elightenment movement of that time, especially since it had close links to the Atheist movement then...

Face it. Christianity borrowed heavily from the movments it existed in, in order to survive. If it wasn't for the Founders of America and making a separate country to escape Puritanism, not much of Christianity would exist today, or at the least the world would resemble Europes heavily secularized nations.

EDIT EDIT: Let me take this time to state that I too do not consider those who follow Christianity to be stupid.

Answer 3

The founders of our nation were deists, who detested Christian dogma. Have you ever heard of the Jefferson bible? I'm guessing that you haven't, otherwise you probably wouldn't have posted something which is an outright lie.

And if the human mind is incapable of creating something that doesn't exist, then you are admitting to the existence of the Greek gods, the Roman gods, the Nordic gods, the Pagan gods, etc. Why is it that people like you think that your "logic" only applies to your own beliefs?

And finally, provide reliable evidence for the existence of Christ. If you are going to provide historical evidence to prove that he existed simply as a historical figure, bear in mind that the writings must be from the time that he lived (Josephus, Pliny, Justin Martyr, Tacitus, Lucian and Seutonius were all born decades after Christ's alleged crucifixion; as a matter of fact, no writings exist about Jesus from the time that he was supposedly alive). And if you are going to try to prove that Jesus existed as the "son of God," bear in mind that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and simply writings will not adequately support your claims.

Answer 4

Never once in all my years have I said Christians in general are dumb. However, in your case I would have to make the assumption that you haven't heard the old saying that goes. "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and leave no doubt." Amazing how deluded some people can be, as if they were sheep blindly following the sheep in front of them even unto death. There are no witnesses to Jesus death, nor is there any factual information that says Jesus even existed. You may preach to me all you want about the books of the bible, and the alleged witness therein. But, the new testament was written over 100 years after the assumed death of Jesus. So we have no actual witnesses, no actual evidence physical or otherwise that his existence was more than myth. However, I will stipulate that in fact a person named Jesus may have existed, however that he existed does not grant him any divinity. Faith is meaningless without a basis in fact, not fiction.

Answer 5

You named two atheists in your example...

Oh, and I've included a link below, in case you'd like to learn more about the "witnesses" of Jesus, and so forth. Did you know that the story of your Christ is far older than Jesus, and was yet another pagan myth incorporated by the Romans to form your "Christianity"? You see, this religion, that you believe as truth, is simply a universal combination of all the pagan nonsense of the time. You've simply been raised to believe otherwise.

The knowledge that proves Christianity is a misunderstood hoax is out there. You just have to be brave enough to read it.

Answer 6

If the human mind is incapable of creating things that don't exist, I assume you believe that unicorns, dragons, santa claus, and countless other mythological creatures exist? And the scripture is just words, just a book of myths, why should you believe the Bible is true any more than the Odyssey is?

Oh, and I believe Thomas Jefferson was an Agnostic. Christians arn't dumb, they just need to stop trying to force their beiefs on others.

Answer 7

First, most of the founders were Deists, so you really need an education about American history.

But that point aside, do you know what a "base rate" is?
Apparently not, otherwise you couldn't have just made this ludicrous argument.

Finally, do you honestly think that theism is what made these men smart? or that these smart men just happened to be theistic.
You're drawing causal conclusions from correlational data.
when you get to college, someone like me will teach you that this is a classic logical error.

Answer 8

Actually, the founders of America were second sons of the rich lords. The first son inherited everything and the other children nothing. They were told keep a certain percentage of what they find. Those that sailed with them were people who wanted to avoid religious persecution. Not all were chrisitans.

Answer 9

You ever read this?

The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, evil and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." -- Thomas Jefferson

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -- James Madison

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -- Thomas Jefferson

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." -- Thomas Paine

"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!'" -- John Adams

Thomas Jefferson referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote: "The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." -- Benjamin Franklin

Answer 10

you just proved yourself against your own point!

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

that's probably enough....but just for kicks...you yourself said the toothfairy...was the toothfairy ever real?....what about all the other mythological creatures....what about the pantheons of other cultures and of earlier civilizations... humans "created" those...so they MUST have existed...

prophecies written by others have also come to be....ever heard of Nostrodamus? His writings get twisted around just as much as the Bible does....but that doesn't make him wrong (or right)...it is all in how it is interpreted...and with that nobody is wrong..

BTW...the word "unicorn" has absolutely nothing to do specifically with a horse....the literal translation in one horn....lots of animals have one horn....therefore being unicorns....