When will the lunatic creationist fringe give up?

Question

When will the lunatic creationist fringe give up?
Creationists are setting up camps everywhere, dispensing their words of biblical wisdom on evolutionary matters, whilst the world warms, pretty much due to humanities dislocation with its ecological roots.

"Intelligent design theory" needs to be consigned to the recycle bin, and emptied fast...the beauty of evolution has had billions of years for life to create it's diversity..and we don't need creationist reason to dictate it's origins, any more than humanist.

Natural processes beyond our current understanding created life; time and consequences created the divesity..we don't need obsessive, dogmatic and mis-educated people to tell our children otherwise..we should be teaching them how to sort out the mess we are about to unleash on our atmosphere, direct them away from religious diktat, and toward a sense of evolutionary and ecological understanding. There's only one issue common to humanity...being able to breath our atmosph

Answer 1

Phat, you are an idiot, go back to your whole and put your hands back over your ears going 'lalalalalalala'.

The 'it says so in the bible' argument is rubbish, in the same way children believe things that are flagrantly false because their Dad told them so, except creationists don't have the excuse of youth. Even if God does exist and directly inspired people to write the bible, the most feasible theory is that he dumbed it down, and used an analogy, so that the ancient farmers who were the Israelites could understand it, that would still allow for evolution.

Intelligent design is just a creationist front for displacing evolution. There is no what we can disprove intelligent design, but we don't need to. There is sufficient proof of evolution, none of intelligent design. Many of the reasons ID believers cite for it being true is that there are holes in evolutionary theory. To therefore suggest that God created the world is seven days, or that an omnipotent being designed all life, is laughable as there is no proof whatsoever for that cause (well there is, but it's either false, biased or taken out of proportion). It's God of the Gaps, and nothing more.
Yes, there are some small holes in Darwin's theory, but likelihood is they will be explained as humans increase their scientific knowledge. In recent years some of the holes have been filled in, I don't doubt the rest will be too.

Evolution has been proven time and time again, it can be easily observed in bacteria, among other things. Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time. One example is insects developing a resistance to pesticides over the period of a few years. Even most Creationists recognise that evolution at this level is a fact. What they don't appreciate is that this rate of evolution is all that is required to produce the diversity of all living things from a common ancestor. The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild. Even without these direct observations, it would be wrong to say that evolution hasn't been observed. Evidence isn't limited to seeing something happen before your eyes. Evolution makes predictions about what we would expect to see in the fossil record, comparative anatomy, genetic sequences, geographical distribution of species, etc., and these predictions have been verified many times over. The number of observations supporting evolution is overwhelming. What hasn't been observed is one animal abruptly changing into a radically different one, such as a frog changing into a cow. This is not a problem for evolution because evolution doesn't propose occurrences even remotely like that. In fact, if we ever observed a frog turn into a cow, it would be very strong evidence against evolution.

Also, look at the fossil record. Paleontology has progressed a bit since Origin of Species was published, uncovering thousands of transitional fossils, by both the temporally restrictive and the less restrictive definitions, which is essentially proof of evolution. The fossil record is still spotty and always will be; erosion and the rarity of conditions favourable to fossilisation make that inevitable. Also, transition fossils (fossils of organisms between two lineages) may occur in a small population, in a small area, and/or in a relatively short amount of time; when any of these conditions hold, the chances of finding the transitional fossils goes down. Still, there are still many instances where excellent sequences of transitional fossils exist. Some notable examples are the transitions from reptile to mammal, from land animal to early whale, and from early ape to human.

They also claim that evolution relies purely on chance, and is therefore statistically impossible. There is probably no other statement which is a better indication that the arguer doesn't understand evolution. Chance certainly plays a large part in evolution, but this argument completely ignores the fundamental role of natural selection, and selection is the very opposite of chance. Chance, in the form of mutations, provides genetic variation, which is the raw material that natural selection has to work with. From there, natural selection sorts out certain variations. Those variations which give greater reproductive success to their possessors (and chance ensures that such beneficial mutations will be inevitable) are retained, and less successful variations are weeded out. When the environment changes, or when organisms move to a different environment, different variations are selected, leading eventually to different species. Harmful mutations usually die out quickly, so they don't interfere with the process of beneficial mutations accumulating.

Nor is abiogenesis (the origin of the first life) due purely to chance. Atoms and molecules arrange themselves not purely randomly, but according to their chemical properties. In the case of carbon atoms especially, this means complex molecules are sure to form spontaneously, and these complex molecules can influence each other to create even more complex molecules. Once a molecule forms that is approximately self-replicating, natural selection will guide the formation of ever more efficient replicators. The first self-replicating object didn't need to be as complex as a modern cell or even a strand of DNA. Some self-replicating molecules are not really all that complex (as organic molecules go).

Evolution has been, for all intents and purposes, proven. While it is still technically a theory, it is one backed up with a huge amount of evidence. Creationists and IDists have ignored this huge amount of evidence so far, methinks they'll ignore it for a while yet.

Answer 2

Not so much an answer to a question, but throwing another idea into this for discussion. I am a Christian, but I believe in evolution. Why? Because of all the evidence!!! I like to think of myself as a fairly intelligent person with a questioning mind and so I can realise that the Bible, whilst still the foundation of my beliefs, is in fact a document that is thousands of years old, that is full of information that was originally passed down through word of mouth and has since been translated and re-translated hundreds of times. I therefor can see that maybe, just maybe, it is not in fact the actual literal word of God. If you can accept this, then you can maybe see how I can reconcile creationism with evolution.

The Bible states that the world was created in 7 days. I think that the use of the word "day" is simply a stand in for "a period of time". This could mean that creation did not happen over 7 24hr periods, but over 7 periods of time. A day could have lasted millions of years.

If you like my theory, then cool, if you don't then fine too, just a theory.

If you really like it then think that maybe we are currently still just part way through the eighth day...or maybe this is the 7th day when God is resting...?

p.s. sorry for the teensy bit of sarcasm in there.

Answer 3

Evolution doesn't address the origins of mankind or even life in general. Origin speculation is religious or philosophical by its very nature. It is foolishness for supposed "scientist" who are speculating on origins to knock religious people speculating on origins since both groups have only opinions to offer us. Most modern scientist would go so far to say that they cannot address IDT because it is scientifically impossible to prove or disprove. Therefore, why are people continuing to beat a dead horse. There can be no agreement between these two parties...and there doesn't have to be. Our origins are far less important than our current behavior. As you stated, everyone should be concerned with the well being of our planet.

Answer 4

Never. Evolution has already been proven to have flaws. If you did a little research you would find out what Jim Darwin said on his deathbed, and proof of a bunch of holes in that theory. There are no holes in creationism.

Answer 5

Well said.
Please tell some people just because its written down in an acient book of fiction it dosent mean its true. It is typical of some people not to consider another point of view because it isnt in the Bible.
The Bible is over 2000 years old, how many times has it been altered and changed, re written and edited?

Answer 6

The Truth can be suppressed but Truth will come out.

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
In Christ in Love,
TJ57

Answer 7

you need to brush up on your research, sweetie. Evolution is moving more toward the fringe. Research is moving closer to design and point of origin every day.
It did tickle me to see you type "Natural process beyond our current understanding CREATED life." On that we do agree!
Thanks for the chuckle. :)

Answer 8

when thay see the world is caling then idiots and it makes the usa looks like fools one day thay will get out of the stone age

Answer 9

first of all, his name was Charles Darwin, second he didn't renounce his beliefs, that is a myth made up by creationists, and thirdly creationism has so many holes it doubles as swiss cheese.

Answer 10

Blah, blah, blah, all hail the mighty big bang from nothingness! Yeah, very logical.