isnt it true that for there to be intelligent design their needs to be an intelligent creator... for instance what are the odds of a ford explorer being created on the moon without interference from a human being whos lets suppose intellgient....isnt it true that for there to be laws their needs to be a lawgiver....people in general say everything is relative... wouldnt that freaking statement be relative and not in absolute fact....
2006-08-09 00:03:41 · 18 answers · asked by and1player2 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I agree that there has to be a creator for such an orderly & complex universe as ours... just as a complicated design or invention has to have an intelligent designer or inventor.
The physicist David Snoke said this about the origin of DNA:
"No one today has an adequate explanation for how this highly complicated molecule arose out of nowhere. Also, we do not have an adequate explanation within chemical evolutionary theory for the appearance of the mechanism that gives us a readout of the information, or for the appearance of methods that replicate information with out error, or for the appearance of the delicate balance of repair and maintenance of the molecular systems that use the information stored in DNA."
Scientific discoveries are constantly reminding us that nature is even more complex than we had originally imagined, which makes it even more unlikely that it all happened by accident. How is it possible that things so complicated & operating with what appears to be a "sense of order" would come from chaos?
Besides admitting to not knowing for sure "how" the complicated DNA molecue came about, David Snoke said that science also does not know enough about what's behind its "delicate balance of repair & maintenance". We know that If something isn't maintained, it goes downhill & falls apart. It appears to me that there's an intelligent "something" not only keeping the universe in order (which keeps the planets from colliding), but this intelligence also ordered & maintains the info in a DNA molecue. Seems to me that there's an intelligence greater than us that is keeping the universe well maintained, & this intelligence is also the creator.
2006-08-09 00:10:02 · answer #1 · answered by ANGEL 7 · 1⤊ 4⤋
So when I see a rock, I should infer a rockmaker? A tree, a treemaker? Is there an army of creator Gods?
Every one of the clockmaker analogies is faulty in that no one person builds any of those objects alone. A clockmaker does not make his own springs and gears, he gets them from someone who does. So the clockmaker/car argument would lead one to logically conclude that creation must have been accomplished by many Gods, who then subcontracted the labor to other Gods. That would explain the shoddy construction and inferior building materials. I smell a class action suit if it's true.
2006-08-09 07:14:18 · answer #2 · answered by Rev. Still Monkeys 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Well, something important to be clear about... non-religious people don't believe in intelligent design! That's the crux of this, I think - see, for atheists, it's about random events taking us through the formation of the universe, etc, up to here... no intelligent or planned designed. Just random. That's important - so, while the points you're bringing up make sense from a God-believing perspective, from an atheist one they're all explained away... Just hope to help you understand a different perspective :)
2006-08-09 07:14:34 · answer #3 · answered by Cedar 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Everything that is made by man can be explained as a fact that men must create it.I am sure there will come a time when machines create things without the aide of men.But men will build those machines.Anything beyond that is based on imagination and belief and is not proof of anything beyond that and so, to me, it easy to dismiss the idea that I have to believe in something that created something but is invisible.
2006-08-09 07:15:19 · answer #4 · answered by EasterBunny 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
He's self existent and that confounds allot of people...it should cuz we are finite and limited by our thinking. However, in human arrogance and ego we attribute to God all the characteristics of human frailty, error and emotion when in fact He designed us as subject to those parameters though they span a broad perspective. Though we are created in His image..to be designed after His likeness our first purpose was not to understand Him or consider Him or to reason out His existence any more than a child does so for its mother...but in our choice to know we also now question everything..as if we could even come close to figuring it out. For those of us who will not acknowledge that is simply not our place..they say He can't exist..or if He does He is a flawed, impersonal God who messed it all up and we have to suffer under His mismanagement. What utter ignorance is this? The controlled chaos of the universe is here for our eyes to see..His Word that calls our attention to this creation and all the laws that govern and yet we think we know or can know or come up with an alternate means and an alternate ending. If only we could all have the mindset of Job..."though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.." Cuz Folks? What else ya gonna do? Can do much..it is through Him that we live, move and have our being..so I'd be putting all my eggs in that basket and trust Him to count them before they hatch. Love in Christ, ~J~ <><
2006-08-09 07:19:14 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
It's the old clock-maker argument, irreducible complexity. It has some merit, but it by no means even remotely proves "intelligent" design or the existence of a designer. Besides, intelligent design is, for all practical purposes, the political face of biblical creationism.
2006-08-09 07:08:08 · answer #6 · answered by Zombie 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I think it's terribly sad that people can get to adulthood without growing up properly and putting aside childish fairy tales about gods and goddesses. When are you people going to wake up and accept reality instead of clinging on to your cosy religious mythology?
Can your monstrous ego not bear the thought that you're really not the special creation of a deity? Does your pride and arrogance perpetuate the notion that the entire universe exists solely for your benefit and enjoyment? Your denial of reality would be amusing, if it wasn't so sad.
2006-08-09 08:20:58 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
What ever you think. It is still a circular argument and proves nothing. I think it is funny that people can have critical thinking skills taught to them all their lives and can still be unable to formulate a clear statement.
OK you say there is a supreme being who created the world. that is a pretty broad statement. prove it. then you say here is a world that must have been made by an intelligent supreme being. another pretty broad statement. prove it. please prove these two statements before you link them. your normal Christian next step is to say that statement 2 proves statement 1 and that statement 1 proves statement 2. Can you see the fallacy here.
If you really are curious please read this
http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/ctlessons/lesson5.html
and study the arguments and proofs that people offer to you critically.
2006-08-09 07:22:02 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
It is called a singularity. It does not need a creator, and it is what the big bang was at the very beginnning.
2006-08-09 07:12:39 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Hard to follow, but what you're saying is that God got drunk, tried to drive home and left his truck on the moon? Are you saying God's an alcoholic? Are you saying God doesn't know how to get home? Are you say God can't park??? I don't have to sit here and read your God bashing. If God is a drunk driver that's lost and can't park, you should get over it because he's God and that's OK.
2006-08-09 07:11:37 · answer #10 · answered by daspook19 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋