Religious ppl say that the embryo/fetus is "innocent". Bible says "every body's born in sin". Is god sadistic?

Question

why do we have to be born? Just to be born in sin? And why shuoud abortion be banned when those embryo/fetuses are going in the lap of god?

Answer 1

humans were made to have a choice... it's anything but sadistic of god to allow us to make up our mind about whether or not we want to believe in him. so it may seem strange that a newborn or fetus is "born in sin" but it's really a great thing that god gave us... the freedom to choose him over satan and evil things.

Answer 2

No the Christian God is not supposed to be a sadist. Man is the sadist and they use the bible as a weapon and tool against their fellow men. Cruel isn't it, but how else do you justify the Spanish Inquisition, or the burning of heretics at the stake or the killing of people who were accused of witchcraft.

God is supposed to be all-forgiving. I can't see God condemning a baby to hell simply because it died before it could be baptized. That is not forgiveness.

Of course the religious man will disagree. Every soul is born with the taint of Eve's Original Sin. The ceremony to remove that taint is baptism. So according to the teachings of the Christian Church God won't forgive Eve for her first sin. It wasn't enough that she and Adam were exiled from the Garden of Eden; it wasn't enough that her son killed his brother. No mankind has to live with her sin forever. That doesn't sound like the all-forgiving God to me.

That's why I have problems with organized religions. It is too easy to use religion to bend a person to your will. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, isn't just a saying about Hitler. I am not saying that religious leaders are all corrupt or like Hitler, but some have been. What is true in politics is true in religion, because men all have similar weaknesses.

The bible is not the word of God; it is the word of man INSPIRED by God. So it is subject to interpretation and error. These errors and interpretations are further compounded by those that add their own interpretations, which is anyone who tries to explain the bible— and that’s just about every religions person. The bible is almost 2000 years old and it was based on even older works and stories. It has been interpreted and re-interpreted. The modern bible is the King James Version, where the pictures of all the religious figures are as white people, and it was written in 1611. So all current sermons are based on a book that was rewritten almost 400 years ago, from a book that is over 1800 years old.

Abortion, in its modern form, was unknown in 1611. Times have changed and the bible hasn’t kept up with it. So any sermons pulled from it are subject to compounded interpretations and compounded errors. Why else do you have the all-forgiving God not forgiving mankind? The bible is a good moral guide, it is the basis for all modern laws, and its teachings can be sound ones. However, it should not be taken literally.

Answer 3

We are born into fallen, sinful world because of our choice to sin. The unborn is born into sin as a result of man's choice of separation from God because of his sin.
The choice to end life is never ours but God's. God has a unique pupose for every life that is not ours to cut short.
Abortion is cutting short a life and purpose by making a decision that is not ours to make.
Life begins at the moment of conception - that embryo in your mother's womb was you at the first stages of your life. We would not take the life of an elderly person or a child. You had to be that embryo to become all you are today, and will be. That is why abortion should be banned - choice in no way compares to a life.
It is the greatest value of all in God's eyes - and that it is not man's is evidence of our sin nature.
You see, God can be nothing other than loving, never sadistic. You see how we turn things around?

Answer 4

Everybody is born with a sinful nature passed down from their father Adam.

Why not kill children up to 4, 5, 6 and so on if they are going into the lap of God? This is a slippery slope argument which runs into who deserves to live and who does not. Who then makes the standards who has a right to life? Why does anybody have a right to life? Should they take the law against murder off the books? They killed the Jews in Germany because they were legally made "non-persons".

Answer 5

So, you're "argument" is that killing unborn children is a good thing because they aren't born into sin. What about little babies that are born. Are they going to hell? I'm religious, the Bible says we are all born into sin, yes, but it also says that Jesus died for those sins. Not His sins, our sins. I don't know why we're born, God will answer that for us when we go home to Heaven. Abortion is wrong and YES it should be banned! God is not sadistic, either, He loves all of us, even you.

Answer 6

Being "born in sin" simply means that people will, by nature, do things that are considered bad, or wrong.

Abortion should not be banned because it will not prevent it from happening, it will only prevent it from happening safely.

For those who are pro-life: if you do not believe in abortion, don't have one. It's not your place to say what is right for any other human being on the face of the Earth.

Answer 7

In India HINDUS have science in the form of vedas.They have created the system of astrology which uses all planets position for prediction of future.

Now, when they designed it they had no electricity or telescope, but they pulled all details of the planets that scientists are confirming today after spending billions.

The same HINDU designers explain your question.
"In this world a person leaves a body in the form of Aathma after death.Some of them get reborn.When they do, aathma receive its punishments (born handicapped) or prices ( born with good health ).

So why not the child is handicapped in the same birth in which it commited the sin?
God is kind , not a sadistic ,He gives enough time in one's life to realise one's sins and free from its grip.If one fails to realise the mistakes he will born again with an opportunity to correct and serve the sins.

Answer 8

Because God meant for them to be born--He has a plan for their lives. They are innocent in the sense that they have committed no deliberate sin, but they do have the sin nature.

Answer 9

no, god is not sadistic...he is love...but since Adam and Eve sinned against him, we all are born imperfect...which means we are lack of perfection, just like Adam and Eve were perfect before they sinned....so we are born as sinners before God and we are doomed to death...but Jesus Christ has done a sacrifice to be able to get God's favor, and be able to live forever here on earth converted into a paradise....So God has his promise still on, for all humankind....so even though we die, we have a possibility to survive when the end comes, Harmagedon, when God comes to destroy all wicked people and Satan and his demons will be held without action for a thousand years....so we have hope in God, and we pray that God's kingdom comes to deliver us, from all this wicked world we live in...write back at [e-mail]

Answer 10

Remember, it was humanity that wrote the Bible; I'm sure that not everything in there is exactly what God said/intended. I believe that all pre-borns are innocent, and that babies are, too. As we grow to be adults, our sinful ways emerge.