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the Jews have Elohim and the Muslims have Allah. I find it a bit strange that the same "Pagan" word for god gets picked up by the Jews and Muslims. o strange how the human mind works.

2006-08-07 18:14:40 · 7 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

No I don't, mr pester. no need to re-punt. do the research as I did. there were more than just moon gods. El was Baal's father

2006-08-07 18:28:03 · update #1

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Not so odd really considering that it is just the evolution of linguistics. El was the highest of the Canaanite deities in the Pagan branch. Probably when the Jews entered the land of Canaan they probably started explaining their God (whose name was unknown...remember He said "I am" and that is still sometimes a "name" that Jews refer to God by, except in Hebrew). So when explaining to their Pagan kinsmen they probably used the word El. A lot like how everyone who speaks English now refers to the word God regardless of their religion. I'm a Hindu and I believe in God. I have friends who are Christian and they believe in God. I have friends who are Muslim and they believe in God. Etc. The word may change meanings, but the word gets used. El was probably used a lot like English speakers use the word God. It just seems natural for people to do things like this.

Then of course there is the theory that Abraham worshiped El and that Abraham was henotheistic (believed there was more than one God but that only one of the Gods is supreme) and that this eventually developed into monotheism (belief that there is only one God).

Either way the concepts evolved whether linguistically or theologically (or perhaps it was a combination of both).

2006-08-07 19:27:42 · answer #1 · answered by gabriel_zachary 5 · 0 0

Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. The first, he had with a servant, trying the only way he knew to fulfill God's prophesy that he would have a child. Isaac was born to his 100 year old wife, Sarah. Ishmael is the father of the Muslim religion while Isaac's lineage became the Jews.

Muslims believe in Noah, Abraham, Moses, and even Jesus. They just believe that Jesus was a great prophet and not the Messiah. Instead, they believe that Mohammed was the Messiah - even though HE couldn't raise himself from the dead. While the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah to come. When you really think about it, the Jews and the Muslims are more alike than Christians are to either as both deny Christ is the Son of God.

If you are really interested, I recommend a book called 'The Case For Christ'. It is written by an atheist/lawyer/reporter who set out to prove that Christianity was based on a fraud so his Christian wife wouldn't be misled. Instead, he inadvertently proved that the New Testament (or at least the gospels) is indeed factual and was forced to become a Christian himself. It starts off kind of dry, but as he starts to put the pieces together it becomes very compelling.

2006-08-08 01:42:46 · answer #2 · answered by bleme 4 · 0 0

You have no sources for this. because you are 100% wrong. pagan pre-islam had 360 moongods. non of them was EL. Acordding to Islamic muslim scholars themselves.

Now, you wanna backup and repunt?


The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms." excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.
Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact.
Muslims claim that the name Allah can be found in the Bible. This is no different than what the Jehovah's Witnesses do for the name Jehovah. Allah is not called Yahweh once in the Koran but neither is Yahweh called Allah in the Bible. So they can't be the same God. Neither is the word Elohim which is applied to Yahweh over 2,500 times in the Bible used in the Koran. Neither is he called I Am, which He said to Moses would be His name forever.
The God of the Bible identifies himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacobs name is later changed to the name Israel, being the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. The God of the Bible calls Jerusalem the city of David and that the Messiah would descend from his lineage. Neither does the God of the Bible does not mention Mecca or Medina but instead Jerusalem 800 times. Yet Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran, which the Muslim claims as there own.
The God in the Bible is called the God of the Jews, an impossibility with Allah. They are called his chosen people, but they are not Allah's chosen. Allah commands the Muslim to not take the Jews or Christians as friends, Sura.5:51 disdains the Jews. Mohammed said, “The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.” (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130). So how could Israel inherit the land or any of God's promises from Allah, if he is their God. Clearly he is not the same God of the Bible.
Muslims trying to prove their position from the Bible point to the Old Testament with the word alleluyah, interpreting the first portion of the word alle as Allah. The word [H]alleluyah is not a compound Hebrew word. It is not two words but a singular word meaning praise to Yahweh. (alle- praise, lu-to, yah-Yaweh). The beginning of the word is Hallel meaning praise. This has nothing to do with an Allah, and the last syllable of the word is a reference to Yahweh the God of the Bible, this is hardly any evidence for their assertions. They are also confusing Aramaic with Arabic. This is not unusual, as Muslims will often take words and meanings set in another language and culture and adopt them for proof of their own book or religion.

2006-08-08 01:22:57 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Elohim means one god of the pantheon. Christians will try to tell you it means one god and leave off the rest of the definition. They fight dirty!

2006-08-08 01:18:21 · answer #4 · answered by upallnite 5 · 0 0

I don't find it odd at all. They originate in the same religion, and their languages have a common ancestry as well.

2006-08-08 01:19:57 · answer #5 · answered by lenny 7 · 0 0

yes true but mohammed was still mislead and the quran wes not from God

2006-08-08 01:19:32 · answer #6 · answered by Sam's 6 · 0 0

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2006-08-08 01:18:14 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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