If Mathew Mark, Luke and John are inspiried by 'GOD" then ....[read details]?

Question

Why does Mathew copy 600 verses straight from Mark's original 666 verses. Luke admits he borrows from other people,he clearly borrows from Mathew. John borrows from Mathew and Luke This clearly shows they were not eye witnesses.

"doc_jhholliday" so basically your saying Mark couldnt be bothered writing down that Jesus walked the earth for 40 days after being resurected, done other cool sh!t, and ascended to the sky. He just figured that is more beleivable than Jesus eating fish, and figured he would leave those boring bits out?
Wow ..... I didnt think christians could be a dumber. The Q source does not help your case anymore, it destroys it. So much for inspiration. Its OBVIOUS that it is legendary embelishment.
Mark didnt write a resurection, because there wasnt one. He was writng an alegorical writing. Its ok for Jesus to speak in parables, why not MARK? Maybe you have missed the whole parable after all.

Answer 1

Of course they weren't eye witnesses. The gospels were written or compiled during the late 1st. to 3rd. centuries. It is quite obvious that the authors, whoever they were borrowed from each other extensively. This is the equivalent of you writing a history of Robert E. Lee, with nothing more to draw from than oral traditions and some letters written by some of the Southern Boys that heard about him from their grandfathers. We often hear about the accuracy of the Bible based upon prophecy of Christ's coming. How difficult is it to write the details of a prophecy after the fact, especially if you have no one to check up on you?

Answer 2

Oh of course. Clearly. Clearly, your fuzzy logic, is not logic at all.
1st of all, you are probably not smart enough, nor have the requisite attention span for this question to be fully answered in the scope it deserves. You seem to want to differentiate the gospels need for inspiration vs the rest of the Bible. Which is a good thing. They are unique books, in that they are all about the life of Jesus, with plots, point of view, events, characters, and prehistory as well. They are purporting to contain events and sayings from the life of Christ. None of these books were immediately written down right after the Ascension though.
These were written down later after probably being passed down through some written collections and oral transmission as well. Only later were the books recorded as the Gospels. Since you have multiple sources, and multiple perpspectives there are areas of overlap that don't seem to match. The same story may be in a certain place in Matthew (6:9-13) and another in Luke (11:2-4), or the stories may be identical. Anyone who reads through the Gospels and is taking notes will probably notice this. And a reader will also notice that these events do not all happen in the same chronological order. And just because the names matthew, mark, luke are ascribed to the books does not mean they actually wrote the book. Church tradition, with a lack of any evidence to the contrary, often led to the name of the gospel in question.

Now there are many different types of criticisms used when trying to interpert the synoptic gospels. Tradition Criticism looks at events, Form Criticism wants to know about the oral transmission of the event leading up to and before the written or canonical record, Source Criticism looks at the written sources, and Redaction Criticism/Literary Criticism look at the text itself.

There is also a basic synpotic exegesis...... Are you ready to get all your different sources, and research books, take some classes on introduction to the new testament and old testament? Learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic? Do you really want to look at the texts shared? What about the source Q? hmmm?

The fact that people believe these books are inspired by God has to do with faith. If you proved everything true or false about the Bible, then it wouldn't be faith would it? And the fact that, as a whole 40 different men over hundreds of years, wrote such a diverse collection of books, that pretty much agree with each other, seems inspired to me. If you want to find something wrong with the Bible and the men who wrote it, you will find it. Inspired by God, doesn't mean directly written by God verbatim now does it.

If someone is trying to "prove" the bible, they are missing the point. Now here is a thought. Jesus Christ was a historical figure. Period. You don't need the Bible as a source to know he existed. In the gospels Jesus claimed to be the son of man, and he acknowledged he was the Messiah. He was claiming to be God people. He claimed to have power over death(raised Lazarus from the dead among others) healed the sick, and forgave sins. This last little bit of course, is why the Jewish leaders of the day hated and feared Him. After his ressurection he reassured the disciples as to why he was here. Here are a sampling of some texts for your studying pleasure: (John 14:6,9, 5:39,46, 10:30, Matthew 9:6, John 10:17,18, Luke 24:27,45, ) these are all Jesus' words by the way.
So either he is God (God the Son), or he was a madman. Make a choice and life your life accordingly. Don't ask nonsensical questions with ignorant statements and then come to an even more irrelevant conclusion.

Answer 3

Yes they are proper approximately the trinity dogma. The Roman Catholic Church could be very transparent that the trinity dogma isn't a educating of scripture however of the clergy. They view the clergy as having the proper and authority to coach/interpret The Scriptures any method they desire and that nobody else has this proper. When the dogma of the trinity got here in to the church that's additionally while the persecution of those who disagreed got here into the church. The spirit of persecution is the spirit of Satan. When Nicea used to be convened there have been 304 bishops attending out of a feasible five,000 bishops of the church. These 304 presumed to talk for the entire church and got here up with the trinity. There had been different different councils referred to as that had been attended through majorities of the bishops and those anathematized the trinitarian teachings of Athanasius however they do not desire to speak approximately the ones councils. Eusebius, the primary church historian external of scripture, used to be hostile to the trinity. That's why he isn't referred to as a saint however he's known as a risk-free supply of church historical past. Trinitarians desire every person to believe the problem used to be settled in 325 however the debate has NEVER long past away. 325 did not even speak approximately the holy spirit and what it used to be and the way if figured into the newfangled trinity. That got here later at Chalcedon. Most folks that say the think within the 'trinity' do not even understand what it's. It's a trap word, buzzword, something you desire to name it that the 'in folks use.' Side factor: Constantine used to be supposedly 'changed' on his deathbed and baptized as an 'Arian Christian' through an Arian bishop. Even pagans understand one million+one million+one million=three, now not one million.

Answer 4

CJunk, I tried to reply to your email, but it would not go through.

Here is my reply to you:

RE: Constantine & foundation of Christianity

Hi,

I don't recall which question, but I do recall commenting that your answer was a good one on a previous question.

Here is one website:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

that indicates the impact Constantine had on "Christianity." It was the first time "Christians" had been brought together as a group to establish doctrine & policy for the "church."

The Nicene Council invented (adopted?) the Trinity as official "Christian" policy. And condemned anyone who opposed it as a "heretic."

Actually creating the bible and establishing policy was a process that took nearly one hundred years. The bible was not canonized until 397 at the Council of Carthage.

"In 397 at the Council at Carthage, the Biblical canon for the western Church was confirmed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthage (See "Roman Carthage", 5th paragraph)

Unfortunately, the truth is rarely simple, and "Christianity" has gone through many changes led by different people or groups.

The subject is more complex than can be thoroughly discussed on an Internet forum, but Christianity was invented by Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 CE for all practical purposes.

He established the foundation for everything that has come after.

Answer 5

Matthew and John are counted among the Apostles, traveling with Jesus during His ministry on Earth.
Mark (John Mark) and Luke are converts in the first century church. They appear on the scene in Acts, primarily during Paul's evangelical journey's.

Each of the Gospel accounts is written with a sspecific audience of readers in mind. God reaches out to ALL mankind with His Good News.

Answer 6

Because they have shared experience. It's kind of like writing a book about something one of your friends also wrote about and asking, "Hey, you remember that day when blah-blah-blah? Should I also put in (X)?"

But come on, you should come on back to your question about Mark 16 and admit you screwed up before going on to other things... You can do it...

Edit: Once again you prove your ignorance by stating above that Mark did not write about the resurrection. He did. I posted the verses in the very version you said you were using in your other question thread. Are you so intellectually dishonest as to continue to dodge your own mistake? Come on, own up. I'm starting to get embarrassed for you.

Answer 7

if your shampoo bottle said it cured cancer, would you believe it because it said so? why on earth? bible believe in 'the bible' without ever understanding how the books have been copied, miscopied, edited, added to, purged...

for goodness sakes, the great gospel story that tells of jesus telling only those without sin to cast the first stone at the prostitute - it does not appear in original versions on the gospel and was definitely added by a monk.

the very suppressed Gospel of Judas has jesus saying that his disciples are pedophiles, theives, and murderers and will lead countless souls astray! he told judas and mary magdalene that the others didn't get what he was saying. he openly laughed at them.

Answer 8

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" But if you don't wish to believe then don't. God gave you that right. "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

Answer 9

God tells us in 2nd Peter....

1:21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Answer 10

GOD and jesus are not the same - jesus was gods first creation - how do you create yourself?