Atheists dare to answer this question?

Question

I modified Pascel's Wagar. Lord Jesus so benevolent to inspire me through the Holy Spirit and bestow Genius on me. Now, lemme see how you refute it.

* You may believe in God as believed by the Christians, and if this God exists, you go to heaven: your gain is infinite.
* You may believe in God as believed by the Christians, and if thisGod doesn't exist, your loss is finite and therefore negligible.
* You may not believe in God as believed by the Christians, and if this God doesn't exist, your gain is finite and therefore negligible.
* You may not believe in God as believed by the Christians, and if this God exists, you will go to hell: your loss is infinite.

Answer 1

If you are such a genius, how is it that your grammar is so egregious?

Answer 2

Compelling arguement. However, if God truly does exist, and is truly the benevolent and all-forgiving God that most religions seem to say he is, then does it really matter if a person is an atheist or not?

Is God not capable of pardoning a person for their own ignorance? Is God not capable of forgiving a person for making a making with regard to how they live their life? If a murderer can be saved in prison and then go to heaven after he's put to death, then why is it hard for you to believe an atheist might be able to go to heaven without going to church?

I know that at this point you want to run to your nearest bible and point out all of the wonderful verse that you have read that pertain to this situation. But the bible is irrelevant. It was written by man. Sure there is a possibility that it was inspired by god but you will never know for sure. Just as there is a possibility that you could be killed in a car wreck next week, but it would be impossible to determine.

So there is your answer. Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your all-loving, all-forgiving God is in fact a callous god who holds a grudge, then you will be able to prove yourself correct.

=)

Answer 3

But.........what if Islam is correct???
If I Believe in God as believed by the christians(which can hardly agree within themselves), and if this God doesn't exist, then I Go to Hell fire for all eternity. Thats what islam teaches
You do have to remember, beleiving in 'God' , at least for me, is not a choice. There either is one or not

alot better than Pascals Wager though

Good try


LATER EDITED:
try this
* You may believe in God as believed by the Muslims, and if this God exists, you go to heaven: your gain is infinite.
* You may believe in God as believed by the Muslims, and if thisGod doesn't exist, your loss is finite and therefore negligible.
* You may not believe in God as believed by the Muslims, and if this God doesn't exist, your gain is finite and therefore negligible.
* You may not believe in God as believed by the Muslims, and if this God exists, you will go to hell: your loss is infinite.

Answer 4

Where's the question?

Ooooh, are you saying that you are a Christian to hedge your bets? Hmmm, don't you think a god would see through that?

Actually, if you believe in a god and spend all your time reading the bible, preaching, worshipping, and there isn't a god or a heaven, then your loss is infinite. You have lost out on your life by devoting it to something false. Rather than living it to its fullest, you lived it for a book. You missed out on opportunities. You had hatred for people for no reason. Time you could have spent with your family, your friends, helping others, expanding your world, was instead spent on a fiction book. Could you have cured cancer? Could you have helped bring about peace? You'll never know because the time you had was instead spent 'hedging' your bets rather than living life.

Answer 5

Quote: * You may believe in God as believed by the Christians, and if thisGod doesn't exist, your loss is finite and therefore negligible.

Would you have lived your life differently or if you found that there was no god before you died would you change your lifestyle?

Answer 6

I'm addressing the second point here, as that is the easiest to dismiss.

If you waste your time believing in the God of the Christians and later find you were mistaken you would have wasted an entire life. Finite loss, but also consider I believe in Karma. Therefore, you would have to repay/relive all that righteous B***S*** you spewed out for an entire lifetime to each and every person who had the misfortune of having to hear you. That could take lifetimes! You might conceivably spend a eternity in what, for all practical purposes, amounts to Hell. INFINITE SUFFERING.

Be careful what you pray for.

Answer 7

Sigh. It's Pascal's wager. You have the A and E transposed. If you're ever going to succeed as a big-name stand-up philosopher, you must work on those writing skills.

I am not an atheist myself, and I have no interest, by the way, in refuting this argument. But I will gladly point out one of its insufficiencies. What if you substitute for the phrase "as believed by the Christians" the phrase "as believed by the Sunni Muslims" or "as believed by the Jains." Now note that your argument is *just as true.* (Both Muslims and Jains have a concept of afterlife rewards for beliefs and actions, Heavens and Hells--not all religions do, but a number do.) Not for nothing did Blaise Pascal not specify doctrinal position when constructing Pascal's wager, focusing instead on the theistic position generally, because your argument only focuses on Christian belief in particular by fiat--it has no logical basis for preferring the Christian theistic position to that of any other theistic sect.

Reflect on this further, proofread it for spelling, and perhaps you may yet have a future as a barechested theologian.

Answer 8

Hello dear!
You are a theist and that is why you god exist!
We live to complete some orbits around the almighty star of Apollo, the life giving Sun! Do we need to cut down some abilities of our brains to reply to some childish questions, or to understand more? Logic is not an area for believers, so why would some theist like to play in this field?
Beyond your questions, when you will grow you will find that another important dimension is time and time has not been understood yet since humanity has not thought enough!
Enjoy!

Answer 9

Here you go not to many big words so you may be able to read it yourself. LOL

I believe that there is no God. I'm beyond Atheism. Atheism is not believing in God. Not believing in God is easy -- you can't prove a negative, so there's no work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire?
So, anyone with a love for truth outside of herself has to start with no belief in God and then look for evidence of God. She needs to search for some objective evidence of a supernatural power. All the people I write e-mails to often are still stuck at this searching stage. The Atheism part is easy.
But, this "This I Believe" thing seems to demand something more personal, some leap of faith that helps one see life's big picture, some rules to live by. So, I'm saying, "This I believe: I believe there is no God."
Having taken that step, it informs every moment of my life. I'm not greedy. I have love, blue skies, rainbows and Hallmark cards, and that has to be enough. It has to be enough, but it's everything in the world and everything in the world is plenty for me. It seems just rude to beg the invisible for more. Just the love of my family that raised me and the family I'm raising now is enough that I don't need heaven. I won the huge genetic lottery and I get joy every day.
Believing there's no God means I can't really be forgiven except by kindness and faulty memories. That's good; it makes me want to be more thoughtful. I have to try to treat people right the first time around.
Believing there's no God stops me from being solipsistic. I can read ideas from all different people from all different cultures. Without God, we can agree on reality, and I can keep learning where I'm wrong. We can all keep adjusting, so we can really communicate. I don't travel in circles where people say, "I have faith, I believe this in my heart and nothing you can say or do can shake my faith." That's just a long-winded religious way to say, "shut up," or another two words that the FCC likes less. But all obscenity is less insulting than, "How I was brought up and my imaginary friend means more to me than anything you can ever say or do." So, believing there is no God lets me be proven wrong and that's always fun. It means I'm learning something.
Believing there is no God means the suffering I've seen in my family, and indeed all the suffering in the world, isn't caused by an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent force that isn't bothered to help or is just testing us, but rather something we all may be able to help others with in the future. No God means the possibility of less suffering in the future.
Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have.

Answer 10

I not an atheist, but you should understand that there is no eternal hell for human beings. Further the spiritual world, as most theologians present it, was completely realigned at the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. As such your examples are meaningless.

If I were you I would examine my source of inspiration. The Holy Spirit has pronounced the position of atheists having written that "the fool hath said in his heart there is no God. Psalm 14.

Atheists do not have to answer to you or to me. They must answer to God, whether they believe it or not.

Answer 11

I don't see any modification at all. What if god is only going to let those into heaven that are brave enough not to believe in it? What if all Christians are going to go to hell for not worshiping Allah? Pascal's wager doesn't work.

By the way, if god has 'bestowed' it's genius on you, why can't you spell correctly? Are you calling your own god stupid?

I'll "dare to answer" a question when you ask one.