The Trinity - It just doesn't make sense. Is this a concept that people just don't think through?

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I still have yet to hear a logical explanation of the Trinity from anyone. It's possible to be one in purpose without being the same actual being. For example, my wife and I are united in purpose as parents and essentially operate as a single unit even though we are two separate people. However, we're far from perfect and we don't always agree. Being perfected beings, God (Our Heavenly Father) Jesus Christ (His Son and our Savior) and the Holy Ghost/Spirit (The Comforter and Testifier of Truth) work together as a single Godhead in total harmony, each fulfilling their roles with exactness. It really is a simple concept that people make more difficult.
Christ's baptism is a perfect example:
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Answer 1

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Is the word trinity in the Bible? No.

Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No.

Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes.

Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity.

Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one."

Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19.

Can the mystery of the Godhead be understood? Yes. Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16.

Has the Christian only one Heavenly Father? Yes. Matthew 23:9.

Then why did Jesus say to Philip, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:39)? Because Jesus is the express image of God's person. Hebrews 1:3. The Greek word for personin this verse literally means "substance."

Does the Bible say that there are two persons in the Godhead? No.

Does the Bible say that all the Godhead is revealed in one person? Yes, in Jesus Christ. II Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:19; 2:9; Hebrews 1:3.

Is the mystery of the Deity hidden from some people? Yes. Luke 10:21-22.

Who is the Father? The Father is the one God, particularly as revealed in parental relationship to humanity. Deuteronomy 32:6; Malachi 2:10.

Where was God the Father while Jesus was on earth? The Father was in Christ. John 14:10; II Corinthians 5:19. He was also in heaven, for God is omnipresent.

Did the prophet Isaiah say that Jesus would be the Father? Yes. Isaiah 9:6; 63:16.

When God said, "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26), was He speaking to another person in the Godhead? No. Isaiah 44:24; Malachi 2:10.

How many of God's qualities were in Christ? All. Colossians 2:9.

How may we see the God who sent Jesus into the world? By seeing Jesus. John 12:44-45; 14:9.

Does the Bible say that Jesus is the Almighty? Yes. Revelation 1:8

Whom do some designate as the first person in the trinity? God the Father.

Whom do some designate as the last person in the trinity? The Holy Ghost. But Jesus said that He was the first and last. Revelation 1:17-18

How many persons did John see sitting on the throne in heaven? One. Revelation 4:2.

If Jesus is the first and the last, why did God say in Isaiah 44:6 that He was the first and the last? Because Jesus is the God of the Old Testament incarnate.

Did Jesus tell Satan that God alone should be worshipped? Yes. Matthew 4:10

Does the devil believe in more than one God? No. James 2:19.

Does the Bible say that God, who is the Word, was made flesh? Yes John 1:1, 14.

For what purpose was God manifested in the flesh? To save sinners. Hebrews 2:9, 14.

Was Jesus God manifested in the flesh? Yes. I Timothy 3:16.

Could Jesus have been on earth and in heaven at the same time? Yes. John 3:13.

Does the Bible say that there is but one Lord? Yes. Isaiah 45:18; Ephesians 4:5.

Does the Bible say that Christ is the Lord? Yes. Luke 2:11.

Does the Bible say that the Lord is God? Yes. I kings 18:39; Zechariah 14:5; Acts 2:39; Revelation 19:1.

How could the church belong to Jesus (Matthew 16:18) and yet be the church of God (I Corthians 10:32)? Because Jesus is God in the flesh.

Will God give His glory to another? No. Isaiah 42:8.

Was there a God formed before Jehovah, or will there be one formed after? No. Isaiah 43:10.

What is one thing that God does not know? Another God. Isaiah 44:8.

What is one thing that God Cannot do? Lie. Titus 1:2.

How many Gods should we know? Only one. Hosea 13:4.

How many names has the Lord? One. Zechariah 14:9.

Is it good to think upon the name of the Lord? Yes. Malachi 3:16.

Does the Bible say that God alone treads upon the waves of the sea? Yes. Job 9:8

Why, then, was Jesus able to walk upon the Sea of Galilee (Matthew 14:25)? Because He is God the Creator. Colossians 1:16.

Is God the only one who can forgive sin? Yes. Isiah 43:25; Mark 2:7.

Why, then, could Jesus forgive sin in Mark 2:5-11? Because He is God the Savior.

Is Jesus the true God? Yes. I John 5:20.

If God and the Holy Ghost are two separate persons, which was the Father of Christ? Matthew 1:20 says that the Holy Ghost was the Father, while Romans 15:6, II Corinthians 11:31, and Ephesians 1:3 say that God was the Father. There is no contradiction when we realize that God the Father and the Holy Ghost are one and the same Spirit. Matthew 10:20; Epheasians 4:4; I Corthians 3:16.

When Paul asked the Lord who He was, what was the answer? "I am Jesus." Acts 9:5.

When Stephen was dying, did he call God Jesus? Yes. Acts 7:59.

Did Thomas ever call Jesus God? Yes. John 20:28.

How could Jesus be the Savior, when God the Father said in Isaiah 43:11, "Beside me there is no Savior?" Because "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." II Corinthians 5:19.

Does the Bible say that Jesus was God with us? Yes. Matthew 1:23.

Did Jesus ever say, "I and my Father are one?" Yes. John 10:30.

Can it be proved scripturally that Jesus and the Father are one in the same sense that husband and wife are one? No. The Godhead was never compared to the relationship of a husband and wife. Jesus identified Himself with the Father in a way that husband and wife cannot be identified with each other. John 14:9-11.

Does the Bible say that there is only one wise God? Yes. Jude 25.

Does the Bible call the Holy Ghost a second or third person in the Godhead? No. The Holy Ghost is the one Spirit of God, the one God Himself at work in our lives. John 4:24; I Corthians 3:16-17; 6:19; 12:13.

Can Trinitarians show that three divine persons were present when Jesus was baptized by John? Absolutely not. The one, omnipresent God used three simultaneous manifestations. Only one divine person was present--Jesus Christ the Lord.

Then what were the other two of whom Trinitarians speak? One was a voice from heaven; the other was the Spirit of God in the form of a dove. Matthew 3:16-17.

What did the voice say at Jesus' baptism? "Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Mark 1:11. As the Son of God, Jesus was the one God incarnate.

Does the Bible say that God shed His blood and that God laid down His life for us? Yes. Acts 20:28; I John 3:16. God was able to do this because He had taken upon Himself a human body.

The Bible says that God is coming back with all his saints (Zechariah 14:5) and also that Jesus is coming back with all his saints (I Thessalonians 3:13). Are two coming back? No. Only one is coming back--our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Titus 2:13.

Hope this helped some

Answer 2

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19).

Jesus tells his apostles to baptize "in the name [notice, singular, not plural] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). This is a proof-text: three distinct Persons united in the one divine name. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul writes, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." We see this same unity of divine Persons in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11, Ephesians 4:4–6, and 1 Peter 1:2–3.

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One of the great mystries - if you can understand it, it isn't God.

Answer 3

trinity is not taught in the bible that was in pagan religions a long time before christ. Like the easter bunny and the christmas tree.
It was added to help convent pagans.
col 1:15 and read Rev 3:14
Shows Jesus was created as the Almightys first work
By means of him all other things in heaven and earth was created. But the point is Jesus was created. The Almighty has always been here. And holy spirit was poured out on 120 disciples that couldn't be if it was a person.

Answer 4

The Trinity - It just doesn't make sense. You are right it doesn's make sense.

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.

Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,

Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;


Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him, why did God have to give the revelation to Jesus, if he is God? .

Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven.

A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.

Answer 5

Your right , we as humans can never understand the things of GOD and the trinity is no exception ,the best way to describe it is that you are a Father and you have a father ,So that makes you a father and a son at the same time ,Are you an uncle too some one are a nephew ,that would make you a Father ,A Son ,A Uncle And a nephew all at the same time , Why could man be these many things but God who is the creature of all things be what he is !

Answer 6

It would be conceited to think that we have the ability to even grasp the concept of all things, let alone that of the supernatural.

No one knows everything because our human brain is not capable. If so, there would be no mystery to infinity. You would have an answer to it with a beginning and an end. We logically cope with numbers as infinite by adding zero's- but that is what we have accepted, but only because we arent capable of knowing the beginning or the end numbers-

The smartest person in the world may tell me that there is no beginning and no end - but only because the smartest mind cannot fathom an answer beyond its capability and what is logical is not always right.

Even the best explanation of the Trinity can only serve to satisfy, but the answer wont be exact, because we cannot fully comprehend things of the supernatural. If we could, everyone would know the answer to your question, and everyone would believe in Jesus.

Answer 7

Many people are under the wrong assunption that the Trinity is 3 different gods. 1+1+1 =3 (tryplex)

God, as man is triune 1x1x1=1 Body, soul and spirit.

In this day and age of science fiction movies it's really not all that hard to believe...unless you just don't WANT to.

Answer 8

can see that no minds have changed as yet there is no trinity the way it s been spoken about here.the Father sits at Jesus es left hand there in one place and have the mind set of one. when Stephen was dying he look up into heaven seeing Jesus standing at the right hand of G-D. G-D has his own body Jesus has his own body and i don't know what body the Holy spirit has i know I heard the spirit cry out from within me

Answer 9

We do know that the Bible does say the Three are One, we also know the Bible says Jesus is God but I understand why its hard to understand (heh... say that 10 times fast)

But as I see it (might not be everyones view but its mine) God created man in His own image, and obviously it wasn't in looks since we all look differently, so how are we in His image? Body Mind and Spirit. That is a Trinity (3 in 1)

My body is me, my mind is me and my spirit is me, but they are different, yet equal parts of me but 3 of one whole.

So Jesus spoke to God when He was on earth, how can this be if they are One being? First, God can be more than one place at a time, we cannot however. So its not hard for me to believe God was in Heaven and Earth at the same time. Why did Jesus pray to "Himself" then? I think that it's the same way that my body may be in conflict with my mind and spirit. They might not all agree on everything. My body might not want to get up for work and try to talk my mind and spirit into staying in bed all day. But, my mind knows i need the money and my spirit knows I shouldn't lie to my boss. 3 things going on in one being... Yet all are still me.

Answer 10

Yeah, I was a Catholic for 18 years and never believed in the Trinity. Jesus prayed to God and called him Father... so why is he considered God? He can't be God. And I never really got the Holy Ghost thing either...