Is it possible to find belief in God thru logic?

Question

I mean, I KNOW that God had to have come first, but I can't make myself believe it totally anymore. I know that something had to start it all, even evolution couldnt have begun without some initial spark, but I can't find the logical way to belief. Is there a concrete way to prove God exists?

Answer 1

Dear Concrete,

No, no concrete way, for proof necessarily involves using visible creation in some way, and God stands outside creation. The better arguments might be the one that you've already suggested - that something cannot come from nothing.

Another thought is that if God doesn't exist, it's the only human longing that doesn't have a fulfillment - need for food, water, shelter, love, etc.

-j.

Answer 2

I can see you're a thoughtful and intelligent young woman, and your question has honest intentions which is rare on this board. I understand how you feel, because I used to feel the exact same way. Belief in God was part of my life since I was a little kid, and when I started to lose belief I was very confused. I searched for logical proof of "God" or any other god and quite frankly, came up empty. Being "godless" in such a religious-oriented society seemed frightening at first, but once I got got over that initial discomfort, I felt liberated. Once I cleared my mind of all supernatural beliefs, I saw human existence and and the universe we inhabit much clearer. Looking at morality from a humanist perspective actually made me a nicer, more charitable person. I started appreciating every day, because I knew I wasn't living for eternity.

As for the concrete evidence, it's not there. On the other hand, I can't pretend to be able to explain the universe to you. Nor do I want to. All I can say is don't believe anything just for the sake of believing it in, because it gets you nowhere. If you choose to be a Buddhist, Christian, atheist or agnostic, that's fine. Just take careful consideration of WHY you believe what you believe.

Answer 3

If you look at creation and say something must have created it, and that something is God. You get into a logical loop around what is the something that created God then and what is the something that created the something that created God.

Because of that logical loop and if we acknowledge that there is a beginning, then something outside of natural laws must have been the first. That is the only way to get around the loop. That something could be thought of as God....

The only works though if you believe that there must have been a beginning. String theory actually advocates an infinitely old universe, which indicate that there actually was no beginning and no first.

Either way, I do believe in God because sometimes I can feel a force that is there, I think it is a personal thing. Am I delusional? Maybe. The only thing I have some confidence in, just because it makes to much sense, is that organized religion is a made-up human construct that leads us away from discovering the true nature of the universe.

Answer 4

I don't know how you can be logical and Not believe in God. But you still need faith. There are alot of things I can't touch or see, but I still believe they're real. There are some very intelligent men that made a comittment to disprove God and Jesus. They actually did research, which most non-believers haven't done, and after trying to disprove God have become believers. Do some research about The Bible, and find out for yourself how authentic it is and how it has been translated nearly perfect for hundreds of years through the different languages. Read writings from Josephus, a first century historian. The Bible is a book containing much history, which is continually proven to be true. Please don't assume there is no God just because we have a screwed up world, or that your dad died or whatever else you want to blame him for.

Answer 5

There is no concrete way to "prove" the existence of God. If you know that "something had to start it all, even evolution couldnt have begun without some initial spark" then why can't you acknowledge that God must have been that 'spark'? I suppose that it what faith is.

Answer 6

No.

About a hundred years ago, Bertrand Russell pointed out the fallacies in all of the extant "proofs" for the existence of God -- including the Ontological argument of St Thomas Aquinas -- which is so often spouted here.

But a few years later an even more important thing happened in Logic -- Godel's Theorem. Stated simply, it says that any system of logic strong enough to encompass number theory is either incomplete or inconsistent. This sounds simple enough -- but it is equivalent to sayint that either there are truths of mathimatics that can not be proven -- or mathematics doesn't work.

In other words, we have to make a leap of faith to even believe that mathematics works. If we can't prove that Mathematics works, how can we prove that God exists?

Answer 7

Yes there is a way.
At this point I wish I would have payed more attention in my categorical logic class so I could write you a valid equation.
But I didn't so I will try without one.
Here gos, this is a world of order ,cause and effect.
There are laws that govern the universe (order), the planets go around the sun, water freezes at 32 degrees, the laws of physics, the rules of the periodic table...ect.
What force decided water freezes at 32 degrees/laws of physics...ect.
Was it God?(Order)
Could it have happened at random?(chaos)
If it was chaos(no god) Then no 2 experiments would have the same result(chaos), science couldn't work (or logic for that matter) and the universe would be unknowable.

However science dose work.(since we are both on computers I will assume it must)
Therefore there is an intelligent will organizing the universe to give it substance..
(God)
I could go on and on but you will either get it or you wont.

Answer 8

No, but it is possible to lose belief in god through logic. I grew up catholic until high school when I became very interested in science. I studied constantly about everything in the topic. After years of this, I slowly began to realize how moronic Catholicism was. Not just that, but any religion for that matter.

My studies led me to many theories on the universe. It had no beginning and will have no end. The laws of science have existed forever. As for the creation of Earth, thousands of different gases in the universe combined creating solid mass, liquids, and the air that initially helped in the making of living things including plants and animals. No god created anything. There just happened to be perfect conditions to create life. Don't listen to the people here who simply give you passages out of the bible. They can't give you facts, only what they believe their false god told them.

In the time religion was created, people couldn't comprehend this, so they tried making up answers so everything could be much simpler. They were afraid of death, so they made religion to get over that fear, while still trying to teach positive morals. I felt much better off not believing in anything. I no longer had the fear of going to Hell and none of the pressure of trying my best to get into Heaven. You should welcome this confusion. I unfortunately can't give you any sites or books being that hundreds were used to come up with these conclusions. My advice to you is if you really want to believe in god, don't use logic.

Answer 9

No, you can not arrive at a proof of god through logic. Even worse, you can often disprove god using logic (depending on the god in question).

A creator is unnecessary to explain anything we know about the universe. The big bang does not necessitate a creator, neither does the "spark of life". There are several plausible explanations for the rise of life from nonlife. Are any of these the right explanation? We may never know, but because they are plausible (calculably possible), god is not necessary to explain it.

Read Dawkin's "The Blind Watchmaker" if you want to know more.

Answer 10

Logic can lead you to belief in God, but ultimately it can't prove he exists beyond a shadow of a doubt. At some point we must have faith. That faith does not have to be a blind faith, however. You may want to check out the Urantia Book. It claims to be the 5th epochal revelation of God to mankind (Jesus being the 4th). It presents the most logical and comprehensive picture of God and his creations that I have ever encountered. It weaves a tapestry of science, philosophy and religion that is unsurpassed. Perhaps you will find it as enlightening as I have. You can read the complete book online at the link below.