Romans 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharoah, even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout the earth.
Romans 9:21
Have not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
2006-08-04 16:27:06 · 10 answers · asked by Joe S 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The bible does say that God caused Pharoah's heart to harden after he was going to let the Israelites go.
2006-08-04 16:36:43 · update #1
Do you mean to say - 'predestination'????
2006-08-04 16:29:29 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus commanded his followers to obey his laws, if we had no choice then why would he command us to do something. (Ezekiel 18:20-22, Acts 17:30) He also commands everyone, not just a select few, or the ones he has chosen. It says in the Bible that God does not want anyone to perish. (2 Peter 3:9, John 3:15-16, John 3:36) The words everyone, everywhere, all people is used over and over again. Those who believe in predestination (Calvinism) base their entire belief system on only one scripture that does mention predestination, however God did give us a free will. Why would he create something only to see it destroyed. That would be a very cruel God indeed. (Romans 2:11-16) Calvinists have twisted the Bible into saying select few and the elect rather than reading what it really says, 'The World'. I believe the teaching of predestination with no free will is a false doctrine. It tends to flourish in intellectual pride and in neglect of soul winning, and is a synonym for moral guilt. It is Satan's effort to kill concern and compassion for souls. You decide for yourself though.
Other scriptures to look up. John 8:24, Romans 9:17-18, Romans 8:28-30, 1 John 2:2, Hebrews 2:9, John 16:8-9, and many many more...just look.
2006-08-04 23:40:35 · answer #2 · answered by Venus M 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Ya know, I got into a discussion about this with a friend of mine not too long ago, and I have to say that it's a really sketchy subject. I'm not really sure where I stand on it.
Obviously, God is all knowing. He knows who will be saves and who won't. But at the same time, He has given us free will. He knows what we're going to do, but He doesn't control what we're going to do.
Romans 8:29 is probably the verse that really stands out (at least for me) as an argument for predestination.
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestined [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
In a way, God knowing who will be saves is a sort of predestination, because our destiny was KNOWN beforehand, but that doesn't mean it was DECIDED beforehand.
I think it's really a matter of opinion, and how you interpret the Scriptures. God knows what He's doing, and He chooses for some things to not be very clearly understood by us, no matter how much we analyze it.
I could probably go on for hours about all of that sort of stuff, and all the other debates that can be started from talking about predestination, but yeah. I can't type that long.
2006-08-04 23:37:28 · answer #3 · answered by x_chasing_safety_x 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes and no.
However all people have the chance to go to Heaven and Hell by their own accord.
As far as Pharoah goes, God choose him and hardened his heart for the sole purpose to show his power to Egypt and therefore the world.
Exo 9:13 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Rise up early in the morning and present yourself before Pharaoh and say to him, 'Thus says the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, "Let my people go, that they may serve me.
Exo 9:14 For this time I will send all my plagues on you yourself, and on your servants and your people, so that you may know that there is none like me in all the earth.
Exo 9:15 For by now I could have put out my hand and struck you and your people with pestilence, and you would have been cut off from the earth.
Exo 9:16 But for this purpose I have raised you up, to show you my power, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.
Exo 4:21 And the LORD said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt, see that you do before Pharaoh all the miracles that I have put in your power. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.
However God allowed Pharaoh to live in the end. Was it fair for God to himiliate him like that?
Sure was! He is God after all! Romans 9:21 is right in all it says.
2006-08-04 23:40:34 · answer #4 · answered by Samuel J 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
While God knows everything even Pharoah had a free will to humble himself before God, but chose not to.
You have the same choice today- whats it gonna be-time is running out. Look at the midddle east read ezek chap 38-39. I believe this is the precursor.
God word says we are created unto good works- does it sound like he changing his mind or is it mans finite abilities that make himself rebel against everything.
But in answer to your question-NO!
2006-08-04 23:35:08 · answer #5 · answered by Sounder 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Just because God knows the outcome of a life, does not mean He causes it. We're all given free will, but God already knows where we're headed when He made us.
He HAS influenced the flow of historical events and certain people are or were where they were intended to be for certain purposes as noted above. This did not revoke their freedom of choice, rather it was simply known by God what they would choose.
2006-08-04 23:30:56 · answer #6 · answered by Z33K Zmorphod 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
no, we aren't predestined according to the Bible. if you believe in the Bible, then you believe that God is everywhere, all knowing and all powerful. He gave us free will to do as we please, but He still knows what we will do. it's confusing, yes, but psalm 139 says that his thoughts are to wonderful for us, too lofty for us to attain. it also says "If I take the wings of the morning and ascend to the uttermost parts of the sea, even there His hand shall guide me, and His right hand shall hold me fast"
2006-08-04 23:32:58 · answer #7 · answered by wondering 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If one accepts God as all knowing than every thing is preordained.
Tammi Dee
2006-08-04 23:31:43 · answer #8 · answered by tammidee10 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
yes, because it says
jeremiah 1:5
"before i formed you in the womb, i knew you; Before you were born, I santified you; I ordained your prophet to the nation"
2006-08-04 23:35:29 · answer #9 · answered by Lady D 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yeah, i think what's the idea, if you think about it.
2006-08-04 23:30:17 · answer #10 · answered by Alysianna 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋