Have you read 2 Thessalonians concerning the rapture?

Question

Many base the rapture on 1 Thes 4:16-17. But they forget to carry the subject in verse 13.
They also forget that the book of 2 Thes was written because the Thessalonians misunderstood the first book. Consider this:
2 Thessalonians 2:3”Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” Did you catch the subject of this verse: “that day shall not come”. Keep this in mind.
The “…falling away first…” is when the devil is cast out of Heaven and onto Earth.
The “man of sin”, “the son of perdition” is the devil. Also, “…and that man of sin be revealed…” The devil comes looking like Jesus, but has a voice of a dragon (Rev 13:11).
The devil must be revealed first before Jesus come. The false Jesus (devil) must be proven wrong.
Think about it.
Please don't give stupid answers, or attack this question. If you can't answer this question maturely than don't answer.

Source: King James Bible.
Strong's Concordance
Interlinear Bible.

The Old Testament supports the New, and, the New supports the Old.
Ezekiel talks about the future to come.

chris p:
I think you're are confused:
2 THES 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
This is saying that the truth of the lies are available now. You will be deceive until you are the transformed into the spirit.

There is no rapture!

Answer 1

I like that you're trying to explaing the KJV bible, and not newer made ones. Keep up the good work. Ignore the stupid and ignorant answers, and focus on the ones that give you a blessing or inspiration. I know it's frustrating, but blessed are those who are persecuted......for Jesus name. amen

Answer 2

First off, where do you find rapture in the bible? And where does it say that the man of sin is the devil? How do you come to that conclusion? Is the devil a man? When did the devil become a man and not the devil or an angel? Too many discrepancies in your interpretation. The man of sin is not the devil but a man. You are taking some of the symbolism and making it something it was never meant to be. The devil was cast out of Heaven long before there was a man on this Earth if you will study a bit further. The falling away first lis a falling away from God of His people. The devil does not have to come as a man as he has a man already that is doing his work for him and is just waiting for the right time to manifest his power. Good studying but you need more to get it all right. Here is a link that can help you with all the intricacies of that.

Answer 3

You've overlooked one crucial fact from 1 Thes. 4: this passage documents Jesus will "meet" the resurrected and raptured saints IN THE AIR. In order for your premise to be correct, He would have to meet us on the earth, but that's not what this passage tells us. What you've actually pointed out is one of many ways the Rapture is distinguished from the Second Coming.

You are also incorrect that 2 Thes. was written because they misunderstood 1 Thes. 2 Thes. 2:1-2 explains this Epistle was written because the Thessalonians had been convinced by others that the "day of Christ" (the Tribulation, a.k.a. the Day of the Lord) had started. Paul reassures the Thessalonians this could not possibly be the case, because apostasy and the Antichrist had to come first.

Your conclusion that the "falling away" in 2 Thes. 2:3 refers to Satan being cast from Heaven (Rev. 12:4 and 7-9) is also not correct. "Falling away" is "apostasia" in Greek, which means "apostasy or defection." When Satan leaves Heaven after the battle with the Archangel Michael, he is said to have been "cast out." There is quite a bit of difference between being cast out of a place and defecting from it. No, the apostasy mentioned in 2 Thes. 2:3 is a direct result of the Rapture of Jesus' church: without true believers to counter the Antichrist's mission, his form of false religion will take over the world.

To Mamma Mia: Satan has not yet been cast out of Heaven. Job 1:6-12 and Job 2:1-7 documents Satan still has the ability to enter God's presence in Heaven. Revelation 12:10 supports this, since Satan is described as one who has been an "accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night ..." It is only after Rev. 12:7-9 is fulfilled that Satan will no longer have access to Heaven.

Answer 4

No rapture.

No old testament antetypes for a rapture.

God protected and saved his people many times in the o.t. but he never raptured them up to do it.

After anti-christ's time is up Christ will return with all the angels and saints.

Then, in the blink of an eye, the sky will roll back like a scroll and we'll all be changed into our new glorified bodies.

After that comes judgment.

Based on other o.t. and n.t. events I'm personally betting that the last six months of the riegn of anti-christ begins on Pentecost with Christ returning just as the last trump sounds, 6 months later, during the time when the Jews celebrate the feast of tabernacles.

Your mileage may vary.

Answer 5

2 Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

The key verse, The Holy Spirit.
When the Christians leave, He goes with them.
Then comes the problems.

John 14:16 "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
John 14:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.

If He is in you forever, He goes, you go. OLAY!

Answer 6

I think you are misunderstanding this. The 'falling away' is a disintegration of the church by people leaving it as a result of persecution. Paul was writing to the Theselonians because that's what was happening to them. Read the intro to 2 Thess:

"1:4so that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions which ye endure; 1:5which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God; to the end that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 1:6if so be that it is righteous thing with God to recompense affliction to them that afflict you,"

This was basically Paul telling them that their persecution was proof that the day of judgement was near. The man of perdition he referred to was not the devil, it was Caligula.

If you read the entire letter, you'll see Paul is referring to judgement day, not a rapture.

Answer 7

Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven already, before the time of Adam and Eve. They were cast down to earth and were there to tempt Eve so its not a future event, its something that already happened. Satan and his angels have already been identified, the father of lies, sin and so we already know that which is right and wrong.

Answer 8

There are lots who're tormented by the prophesied 'effectual delusions,' lots of them in the liberal pseudo-church we see in western countries now. the finished path of midsection East activities now exhibits a build in direction of end-time success. look out for a charismatic international chief who will look waiting to remedy each and all of the subjects of the international. issues are moving quickly - rather the tip would be in the existence-time of maximum residing now.

Answer 9

I just read it from the compleat Jewish bible and it does not read at all like that but I am sure some may get some understanding from it.

Answer 10

The word 'rapture' doesn't appear in the original text.