You could make the same argument about Joseph, in Egypt. He married the daughter of an Egyptian priest, and somewhere between then and the exodus, the Hebrew's gained a written language. Europeans stole a lot of ideas from Arabs (chivalry for one), but that doesn't make them any less valid. Like all sacrements, it is the spirit that is important.
2006-08-03 19:13:15
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answered by Anonymous
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These are actually only holdovers from Catholicism - a painted over version of paganism. God instituted Judaism up until the time He sent His only begotten Son to be the ultimate sacrifice. The Jews failed to recognize Him, however. The churches that came from following Jesus later evolved into Moravians, Donatists, and then Baptists. Baptist teachings have always been in direct opposition to those of Catholicism. This opposition eventually lead to an "exodus" of many priests from the Catholic Church. This is what is known as the Reformation. This formed the protestant denominations. Note, however, that Baptists were here before the Protestants. They are not one and the same, but separate. KJV Baptists sometimes celebrate Catholic festivals/holidays. And you make a good point: these are pagan holidays. However, this does not make KJV christians Catholic or Pagan. But in answer to your question as to the origin of KJV Christianity, yes. God instituted a strict, pure form of worshiping Him. It was known as Judaism before Christ, and as many other names, but all in reference to the Baptists, after Christ.
2006-08-03 22:43:42
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answered by jpj 3
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The Christians are always going to say you need Jesus and you need to be "saved". Eh, let them waist their time...
It's common knowledge among non-Christians and even some Christians (mostly Catholics) that Holidays, traditions, saints, etc. were stolen from the pagan religion.
In an attempt to make Christianity more wide-spread and popular, Pagan Temples were convertered into Christian Churches. Pagan Gods and Goddesses were then called "Saints" and given little halos. Pagan Holidays were incorporated into the Christian beliefs (such as Christmas and Valentines Day) in order to coerce the people into converting. Basically, they were trying to make Christianirty more appealing.
What will the Christians say about this? They will probably deny it but it's as plain as day. Or the Protestants will blame it on Catholicism.
2006-08-04 09:17:20
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answered by Anonymous
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Many scholars believe the story of Jesus is an adaptation of the story of the Roman god of the soldiers Juno. Juno was born on December 25th...when it has been well established that Jesus was most likely born in the spring or summer since Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem for a Roman census which were always conducted during the spring/summer. Juno was a son of Zeus/God who became immortal through bravery, steadfastness, honesty, loyalty and virtue.
Both Judaism and Christianity are a mix of adapted Greek and Mesopotamian philosophy and culture.
The Romans adapted various local gods and customary holidays, which became part of the Roman Catholic doctrine, in order to achieve dominion over the locals. Read Machiavelli...it takes far less effort to assimilate a culture than to conquer it.
2006-08-03 23:09:48
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answered by Perry L 5
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"King James Version" Christianity? KJV is a bible translation.
But I understand what you're asking. The Catholic and Orthodox churches based their holidays on already existent holidays in order to facilitate the conversion of non-Christians. Christians use the Old Testament because Jesus was a rabbi. Early Christians were Jews who believed that Jesus was the Messiah. In fact, there was controversy over whether or not gentiles should be converted.
As to whether or not God started Christianity, that depends on whether or not you believe Jesus was the son of God. If you believe He was, then you would believe that God did start it. If you don't, then you wouldn't.
2006-08-03 22:44:54
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answered by RabidBunyip 4
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The origins of Christianity were more about peace and loving your neighbor as yourself: living the "right way". The later church leaders, seeking power over the masses, corrupted the true meaning. One of the ways they did this was by keeping the pagan holidays, and turning them into holy days.
Winter solstice still celebrates the return of the sun (son). Maybe ghosts (spirits) are close to the material world on All Hollows Eve.
We all need something: Hope, Jesus, Godspark. Peace.
2006-08-03 23:00:39
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answered by Linda 5
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Simple enough. Christianity started when the Son of God was born in Bethlehem over 2000 yrs ago. They didn't "steal" anything. It began in Jewish religion. The ones who believed Christ was the Messiah later became known as "Christians." And as for pagan-related holidays, are you suggesting Hallowe'en is a Christian holiday? Hahaha... good one. Merging the traditional pagan holidays with Christian related ones was a tactical move to convert more pagans. Not sure why you seem to think that was such a bad thing. The pagans who wanted to convert to Christianity would've been more comfortable keeping some of their old ways. Besides, not all Christian religions use the so-called pagan dates.
2006-08-03 22:56:44
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answered by Anonymous
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I'm curious as to why you are differentiating between Christians who use the King James Version of the Bible from those who don't? (I personally prefer ESV, many like NIV, Roman Catholics usually read the Vulgate, I'm sure that will be corrected if I made a mistake.)
The distinction you are trying to make is unclear? Are you separating Roman Catholics from Protesants and other non-Roman Catholics? I ask because the Christmas celebrations were first determined by the Roman Catholics. But not all non-Catholics celebrate it.
Halloween...that didn't really become a "holiday" for Americans until around the 20th century.
"The majority of Christians ascribe no doctrinal significance to Halloween, treating it as a purely secular entity devoted to celebrating imaginary spooks and handing out candy. The secular celebration of Halloween may loom larger in contemporary imagination than does All Saints Day."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
Perhaps it would help you to learn some distincitions of Christianity? I happen to be a Christian of a the Protestant ilk (that would be with roots firmly in the Reformation). Consider a study on some of the groups I listed above...you know Roman Catholics (there will be other Christians who disagree with me as to their Christianity, but that's another story), Baptists and Methodists fall into the simply non-Catholic Christians (but are often lumped in with those of us who came out of the Reformation). Looking forward to your next observation...; )
2006-08-03 22:49:48
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answered by tantiemeg 6
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Oh, pits, honey. They stole, sorry, borrowed from wherever they went. Jesus was born during the spring (lambing season) but Christmas is in December to replace the feasts of Mithrial and Saturnalia.
They blatantly rewrote folklore and tradition to get butts in those pews. You can't tell people they have been doing it wrong for eons, so you take what they know, and come up with a 'new and improved' version that fits your agenda.
Y'Shua (Jesus to you KJV) absolutely rocked. But, the ''''ssholes after him made a big stinky carbuncle out of a beautiful and soulfull idea.
2006-08-03 22:42:22
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answered by snoweagleltd 4
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KJV?
Where did you come up with that?
Yes, modern "Christian" holidays were mostly brought in by the catholic church based loosely on pagan or Jewish festivals.
None of those things have anything to do with the kjv. - The catholic church had a hand in making it less of a translation than should or could have been done. They denied the translators access to the best manuscript of the New Testament known at the time, making them rely on older, less reliable manuscripts.
2006-08-03 22:34:36
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answered by Anonymous
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nothing was stolen. Jesus Christ (Y'shua Meshiah) is Jewish. Y'shua Himself taught the Jewish and Gentile alike about the Kingdom of God. Then His disciples did the same.Furthermore, there are over 1000 prophesies about Jesus and His mission in the Old Testament and over 700 of them being fulfiled in the New. so what was stolen?
Now somwhere in the Middle ages, in order to make Chrisitianity ( the group of people that declare themselves disciples of Christ) more paletable to the various pagan groups throughout Europe, local customs were incorporated into Christian worship services, like halloween ( a celtic practice!), and the Saturnalia (a Roman one) and easter, another celtic tradition celebrating spring and fertility. And as time went on, these practices became accepted custom WITHIN Christianity.
Btw... "Christian" means "disciple of Christ" in Greek
2006-08-03 22:45:45
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answered by blkrose65 5
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